23 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said:

 

It's just bad luck ya'll!

1 hour ago, taiwanmarlin said:

 

At least two people on here are totally cool with it (well, at least one - the other enjoys being contrarian for the sake of being so). Me? You should bust your ass on deadline day even if it's to find a trade between two non-contenders that might fix a need like the Jazz trade a few years ago (yes I know that's not a deadline trade).

One more SUCK season, who to blame ?

Sherman (cheap) 

Jeter and Denbo (bad)

Mike Hill (shouldn't leave) 

Ng (inability) 

Don (bad)

All players besides Sandy (bad)

5 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

One more SUCK season, who to blame ?

Mike Hill (shouldn't leave) 

Yeah sure let's blame Mike Hill for this season.

6 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

One more SUCK season, who to blame ?

Sherman (cheap) 

Jeter and Denbo (bad)

Mike Hill (shouldn't leave) 

Ng (inability) 

Don (bad)

All players besides Sandy (bad)

 

58 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Yeah sure let's blame Mike Hill for this season.

Yeah, if Mike Hill is here, this team is probably a lot more competitive, really.

Not his fault he isn't here. Unless you think he SHOULD have taken a big pay cut.

Mike Hill was amazing compared to what we have now

8 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

Mike Hill was amazing compared to what we have now

once Loria was gone he was actually pretty damn good

8 minutes ago, hovertical said:

once Loria was gone he was actually pretty damn good

His navigation during the 2020 situation was amazing.

6 minutes ago, Michael said:

His navigation during the 2020 situation was amazing.

yep he was like a mad man making moves.  Probably one of the most impressive stretches I've seen from a GM in any sport - and he swung the trade for Marte which was amazing.  It's almost like he was able to identify needs, maintain the roster and bench, all while working under Sherman (and Denbo lol).  Hmmm......

8 minutes ago, hovertical said:

yep he was like a mad man making moves.  Probably one of the most impressive stretches I've seen from a GM in any sport - and he swung the trade for Marte which was amazing.  It's almost like he was able to identify needs, maintain the roster and bench, all while working under Sherman (and Denbo lol).  Hmmm......

I think we took that season for granted as far as the front office and the moves that were made. Mike Hill will never get the recognition he deserves for that. I'd argue you could write a book or make a movie about that run. And it's crazy to think Hill was replaced after what he did there, though I don't at all think it was a result of that season, I think the timing was just there to move on and I don't blame him from not taking a pay cut and I don't blame Jeter for wanting to handpick a new GM at the time. But now in hindsight isn't it funny remembering what it was like to have a GM who actually worked?

Good God she's an embarrassment

55 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

I think we took that season for granted as far as the front office and the moves that were made. Mike Hill will never get the recognition he deserves for that. I'd argue you could write a book or make a movie about that run. And it's crazy to think Hill was replaced after what he did there, though I don't at all think it was a result of that season, I think the timing was just there to move on and I don't blame him from not taking a pay cut and I don't blame Jeter for wanting to handpick a new GM at the time. But now in hindsight isn't it funny remembering what it was like to have a GM who actually worked?

yep. I mean he wasn't fired...he just wasn't brought back and I also feel like his salary was one of the reasons as he was one of the higher paid GMs - that combined with wanting to hire someone of your own choosing combined to letting him walk. 

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see him land another GM job at some point later on down the road if he decides to relinquish his current role with MLB.

Blame Jeter for low-balling Hill and hiring the wrong guy on Ng.

Just now, taiwanmarlin said:

Blame Jeter for low-balling Hill and hiring the wrong guy on Ng.

it really all goes back to Sherman at the core - being cheap and retaining people who are clearly incompetent at their job.

1 minute ago, taiwanmarlin said:

Blame Jeter for low-balling Hill and hiring the wrong guy on Ng.

If we are going to blame Sherman for all financial decisions (reasonable thing to assume), then that was also Sherman's fault.The lowballing Hill part anyway  

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

If we are going to blame Sherman for all financial decisions (reasonable thing to assume), then that was also Sherman's fault.The lowballing Hill part anyway  

"No. It's the fans fault" - Frisaro

 

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5 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

If we are going to blame Sherman for all financial decisions (reasonable thing to assume), then that was also Sherman's fault.The lowballing Hill part anyway  

Maybe it's Jeter wants Hill to go and not Sherman, if Jeter wants to retain Hill then he would asking Sherman to pay him. 

16 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

 

I said this in the other thread, but I'll put it here too.....

 

To go out of my way to be fair, I think what she meant with that particular statement was that while she's watching the game/the game is being played, she can't do anything about the outcome - i.e. she can't go down there and hit a home run, which is a valid take.  BUT it can also be seen as "well why don't you do something about the roster, and then you won't have that problem" - which is how many see it.

 

She definitely should be doing much more to impact the game results in a positive way, via roster construction.

 

2 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

Mike Hill was amazing compared to what we have now

No kidding.  Remember when we all wanted him gone?  lol

1 hour ago, SilverBullet said:

I think we took that season for granted as far as the front office and the moves that were made. Mike Hill will never get the recognition he deserves for that. I'd argue you could write a book or make a movie about that run. And it's crazy to think Hill was replaced after what he did there, though I don't at all think it was a result of that season, I think the timing was just there to move on and I don't blame him from not taking a pay cut and I don't blame Jeter for wanting to handpick a new GM at the time. But now in hindsight isn't it funny remembering what it was like to have a GM who actually worked?

Yeah, it really was impressive.

I think his tenure got too overshadowed by Loria's meddling....to be fair, we'll never know the full extent of who arranged what signing and trade wise, but it's pretty evident that many of the bad trades (at least at the end) were Loria's demands/doings.

Loria screwed us over by giving Hill that last salary increase. If I remember right didn't Loria give him some massive extension and pay raise right before Loria left? I remember that being like a thank you/a way to give Hill some security before Loria left.

1 minute ago, SilverBullet said:

Loria screwed us over by giving Hill that last salary increase. If I remember right didn't Loria give him some massive extension and pay raise right before Loria left? I remember that being like a thank you/a way to give Hill some security before Loria left.

Yeah, I don't recall if the parameters were ever announced, but yeah I remember Hill getting the extension when Loria was going out the door.

1 minute ago, rmc523 said:

Yeah, I don't recall if the parameters were ever announced, but yeah I remember Hill getting the extension when Loria was going out the door.

Looked it up: Boob Nightengale reported that Hill was given a five year extension and pay raise just before the sale of the team but Jon Heyman says the extension and raise was actually done in 2015 and thus was in place long before the sale. So in hindsight, Heyman was correct as Hill's contract was up in 2020 which means a five year extension was added in 2015. So no it wasn't a parting gift from Loria, it was just revealed near the time of the sale.

2 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Loria screwed us over by giving Hill that last salary increase. If I remember right didn't Loria give him some massive extension and pay raise right before Loria left? I remember that being like a thank you/a way to give Hill some security before Loria left.

So Loria pays him too much and Sherman wants to cut down on his new contract and Hill just said hell NO.

3 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Looked it up: Boob Nightengale reported that Hill was given a five year extension and pay raise just before the sale of the team but Jon Heyman says the extension and raise was actually done in 2015 and thus was in place long before the sale. So in hindsight, Heyman was correct as Hill's contract was up in 2020 which means a five year extension was added in 2015. So no it wasn't a parting gift from Loria, it was just revealed near the time of the sale.

Sounds about right for a Nightengale report.

4 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said:

So Loria pays him too much and Sherman wants to cut down on his new contract and Hill just said hell NO.

Yes. This is true. But also it's normal for a new ownership to want to bring in a new GM for themselves. This is fair and not something to complain about it. Doesn't look they made the right hire though.

2 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Yes. This is true. But also it's normal for a new ownership to want to bring in a new GM for themselves. This is fair and not something to complain about it. Doesn't look they made the right hire though.

Yeah, I don't blame them for bringing in someone new.  I think most of us wanted someone new too.  I know I supported the idea of him staying in a lesser role as someone that knew the system, with a new voice in charge as a GM/overall.  He likely wouldn't have taken that either, though.