5 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Maybe no one wanted those guys that aren’t good?

Wendle and Cooper absolutely had some offers out there on the table.  I still think someone probably would have put an offer in on Rojas and likely Aguilar as well for some stretch run depth.  Rojas and Aguilar should have been traded for almost anything they could get back. Despite the crap offense the Marlins have - they do have viable pieces, the problem is the team so unbalanced and constructed that they don't work together at all.

Just now, hovertical said:

Wendle and Cooper absolutely had some offers out there on the table.  I still think someone probably would have put an offer in on Rojas and likely Aguilar as well for some stretch run depth.  Rojas and Aguilar should have been traded for almost anything they could get back. Despite the crap offense the Marlins have - they do have viable pieces, the problem is the team so unbalanced and constructed that they don't work together at all.

Wendle and copper can be pieces next year no reason to just dump them for some 35/40 FV prospects 

Just now, pollythewog said:

Wendle and copper can be pieces next year no reason to just dump them for some 35/40 FV prospects 

Over 30. Trade.

 

 

HOLY SHIT SHE GAVE THE BRIAN ANDERSON ANSWER

First she listened, now she waits

4 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

Wendle and copper can be pieces next year no reason to just dump them for some 35/40 FV prospects 

I was higher on Cooper this year because of the DH and even said he shouldn't be moved just a couple months back but he just can't stay healthy...at all..it's like his swing/stance just generates loads of balls being hit off his knees, shins, feet, etc. I'm not arguing he can't help the team next year but his uses are limited in that he can't play first and he's injury prone. 

Wendle i'm somewhat happy is still here.  That said, i'd love to know what she passed up on for him because guys like that are incredibly valuable to teams in the hunt as they can fill in nearly anywhere and do it almost as well as the guy they're filling in for. 

Rojas and Aguilar both should have been given up for 30FV guys or above.  Hell, take an expiring contract back even if it meant getting a better prospect. It's not like he's spending on the team elsewhere. 

I absolutely refuse to believe there were zero good offers out there for anyone but Bass and Pop. 

She was too busy fielding calls on Pablo. Had no time for anything else.

53 minutes ago, hovertical said:

In all seriousness - without any jokes, snark, or puns.  Ng needs to go.  She is not cut out to be an MLB GM.  MAYBE she could get by on a team that is absolutely loaded that can almost self-manage but she is CLEARLY NOT the GM for the Marlins.  I know some people will say she's only had one full season but she had most of the offseason following the playoff run in 2020 as well to identify needs and make appropriate signings and she's failed.  I also believe that since both Jeter and Denbo have now left it's clear that the bizarre moves and/or lack thereof IS entirely KIM NG's doing. 

She needs to go and needs to go as soon as possible as she has done NOTHING to help this organization in the two offseasons and what will be two regular seasons coming up soon now that the deadline has passed and the Marlins are out of it.  She's dead weight right now. The deadline was her last shot and she sat on her hands and made one tiny trade. 

Get her out of there.  Take the PR hit. It's not like the Marlins will have fewer fans because of it.  Seriously.  She's been that atrocious at this job. i'm shocked and surprised she was/is this awful but it is what it is. She doesn't have the fortitude to be a MLB GM. 

Fire her. 

Yesterday.

Bring back Michael Hill.

Has not fired Don. [I may just post this daily!]

4 hours ago, hovertical said:

man, i find it bizarre this thread has been silent since Sunday. I guess we are now all holding off in firing Ng?

We all fired her months ago lol.

3 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

She was too busy fielding calls on Pablo. Had no time for anything else.

This really does seem to be the case, doesn’t it?

3 hours ago, hovertical said:

I was higher on Cooper this year because of the DH and even said he shouldn't be moved just a couple months back but he just can't stay healthy...at all..it's like his swing/stance just generates loads of balls being hit off his knees, shins, feet, etc. I'm not arguing he can't help the team next year but his uses are limited in that he can't play first and he's injury prone. 

Wendle i'm somewhat happy is still here.  That said, i'd love to know what she passed up on for him because guys like that are incredibly valuable to teams in the hunt as they can fill in nearly anywhere and do it almost as well as the guy they're filling in for. 

Rojas and Aguilar both should have been given up for 30FV guys or above.  Hell, take an expiring contract back even if it meant getting a better prospect. It's not like he's spending on the team elsewhere. 

I absolutely refuse to believe there were zero good offers out there for anyone but Bass and Pop. 

I agree.  There’s no way contenders didn’t offer something decent for some other guys.

Ha I wish the off season was shorter...I need Ng and Sherman to rip the bandaid off.

Does anyone else think she irrationally thinks we still have a run in us?

6 hours ago, Michael said:

 

 

HOLY SHIT SHE GAVE THE BRIAN ANDERSON ANSWER

 

 

@Michael Sir, stop copying me. Thanks.

 

Lol JK

 

 

.....Or am I? 🤔

 

12 hours ago, hovertical said:

Wendle and Cooper absolutely had some offers out there on the table.  I still think someone probably would have put an offer in on Rojas and likely Aguilar as well for some stretch run depth.  Rojas and Aguilar should have been traded for almost anything they could get back. Despite the crap offense the Marlins have - they do have viable pieces, the problem is the team so unbalanced and constructed that they don't work together at all.

What were the offers

12 hours ago, hovertical said:

I was higher on Cooper this year because of the DH and even said he shouldn't be moved just a couple months back but he just can't stay healthy...at all..it's like his swing/stance just generates loads of balls being hit off his knees, shins, feet, etc. I'm not arguing he can't help the team next year but his uses are limited in that he can't play first and he's injury prone. 

Wendle i'm somewhat happy is still here.  That said, i'd love to know what she passed up on for him because guys like that are incredibly valuable to teams in the hunt as they can fill in nearly anywhere and do it almost as well as the guy they're filling in for. 

Rojas and Aguilar both should have been given up for 30FV guys or above.  Hell, take an expiring contract back even if it meant getting a better prospect. It's not like he's spending on the team elsewhere. 

I absolutely refuse to believe there were zero good offers out there for anyone but Bass and Pop. 

Trading Rojas for a FV30 prospect would have been a horrendous mistake. He's pacing as a 1.5 WAR player this year minimum (some projections closer to 2). He makes $5m next year and amazingly, having his best defensive year since 2022. I do think he is expendable, but maybe pump the breaks here.

This take is DUMB. However, taking back expiring contracts to get better prospects is SMART and they should be doing that in non contending years. 100%.

Aguilar will be on revocable waivers. I bet he'll be moved for something we all forget in 3 weeks. Like Joe Dunand.

1 hour ago, MarlinsLou said:

Aguilar will be on revocable waivers. I bet he'll be moved for something we all forget in 3 weeks.

No more waiver deadline. Yesterday was it.

5 minutes ago, Michael said:

No more waiver deadline. Yesterday was it.

I hate that change.

38 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

I hate that change.

Manfred will bring it back by placing an extra guy on waivers to start negotiations 

1 hour ago, Michael said:

No more waiver deadline. Yesterday was it.

Really. Well I guess Aguilar is that crappy then! Which we knew. Maybe someone would pick him up on a DFA. Regardless doesn't change the farm system one way or another.

13 hours ago, Iowa said:

Does anyone else think she irrationally thinks we still have a run in us?

Do I think SHE thinks that?  Yeah, I'll buy that.

But, do we actually have one in us, no.  Not with the status quo......maybe if they let Don go, who is clearly checked out already.

The only real mistakes were not capitalizing on Garrett Cooper's value, but I'm also guessing there werent good offers on him.

It was a somewhat weird deadline yesterday as it is.  

Players that SHOULD have been moved didnt move (cough cough Cubs).  

Teams that SHOULD have made moves didnt (White Sox, Guardians), so its just really weird how all this went down.

The trade Ng did make was a really good one, lets not lose sight of that.  But ya she should have done well to offload some other players, but of the guys that have any value, why are they looking to trade them for pennies when they have them for next year?

 

Aguilar probably has no value

Nobody is taking Garcia and Soler

Wendle is a guy they can use next year, so why are they 'giving him away', same with Rojas.  

Cooper they should have moved but I"m guessing Kim got trash offers on him and really he is a 1b/DH and should be a DH only.  There isnt a ton of value in that especially when he doesnt have insane power.  Positional flexibility is a big thing with a lot of organizations.  Cooper is the opposite of that. 

Not really sure there are any other players that you'd want to trade that actually have any real value.  So there is that...

 

The other relief pitchers they didnt move, could they have moved a Bleier or Floro for some lesser minor leaguer?  I guess?  But what does that accomplish?  Making a move to just make  move?  They dont have some big time pitching just knocking on the door so who really cares end of day.

 

8 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

The only real mistakes were not capitalizing on Garrett Cooper's value, but I'm also guessing there werent good offers on him.

It was a somewhat weird deadline yesterday as it is.  

Players that SHOULD have been moved didnt move (cough cough Cubs).  

Teams that SHOULD have made moves didnt (White Sox, Guardians), so its just really weird how all this went down.

The trade Ng did make was a really good one, lets not lose sight of that.  But ya she should have done well to offload some other players, but of the guys that have any value, why are they looking to trade them for pennies when they have them for next year?

 

Aguilar probably has no value

Nobody is taking Garcia and Soler

Wendle is a guy they can use next year, so why are they 'giving him away', same with Rojas.  

Cooper they should have moved but I"m guessing Kim got trash offers on him and really he is a 1b/DH and should be a DH only.  There isnt a ton of value in that especially when he doesnt have insane power.  Positional flexibility is a big thing with a lot of organizations.  Cooper is the opposite of that. 

Not really sure there are any other players that you'd want to trade that actually have any real value.  So there is that...

 

The other relief pitchers they didnt move, could they have moved a Bleier or Floro for some lesser minor leaguer?  I guess?  But what does that accomplish?  Making a move to just make  move?  They dont have some big time pitching just knocking on the door so who really cares end of day.

 

 

Pretty much agree in full.

Don't forget for Cooper, Lewin may not be good (they have their own evaluation of him I'm sure already made), as well as everyone has control so they can get virtually same flyer prospects for anyone they want to move.

I would love to see this board if we were the Cubs and Contreras wasn't moved. I'm not sure a compensatory pick outweighs offers for one of best catchers in baseball. That's nuts.

Just now, Michael said:

DID SHE ACTUALLY SAY THAT???? i have the game on mute because i can't stand Nelson and I really didn't want to hear her.  Did she actually f***ing say that?!!?!