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Guys, this is the negotiations...boo-hoo..MLB doesnt lie the site (but will accept it)...the team will pay less (but will still give money)....the league is worried (but not giving up). Am I missing something? What's the bad news? The fact that they picked a site and it's acceptable OR are giving money OR not ready to give up? Thigs are bad when the talking stops and no one has anything to say. When the chatter is up....its all part of negotiations.

Face facts guys, when the Mets lose it's obvious to everyone that someone is cheating.

I am not trying to pick on Olivo, Jacobs or Uggla specifically. I just mean that the atitude becomes contagious. Freddi always says, the guys are busting their butts, playing hard. Never have we heard that we are playing as a team, as a unit. Come on...am I the only one that thinks sometimes the failed sacrafices are because the player at bat wants a shot to hit? How long did this team allow Reggie Abercrombie to screw the cutoff man and air mail it to home plate? Jacobs believes he is a starting first baseman when at this point he is in the lower tier when ranked against the league. Uggla has decided that he is a home run hitter and will not mold himself into a # 2 hitter which is what the team wants. When he is slotted at #6, he can't hit... so he gets rewarded by going back between Hanley and Cabrera to get fat pitches to hit. Sorry, breaking out of a slump takes hitting singles the other way....not home runs on 3-1 pitches because they don't want to pitch to Cabrera. Learn to become a hitter, not a slugger Dan. And Olivo does not want to look at the facts. .265 OBA and his awful glove does not make up for his gun behind the plate. Last year he was a clutch hitter, but he was not a good hitter. Below are stats from ESPN. OBA in key situations. How kills rallies late in the game? Who kills rallies when men are in scoring position? Yup, Jacobs, Olivo and Dan Uggla. Olivo is gone next season. I think Jacobs comments to the press probably will land him elsewhere and I know we have a lot of Dan Uggla fans but if we can deal him and bring in a Dustin Pedroia (Scoring Pos. OBA .366 / Close & Late OBA .397) we'd be much better at the top of the order. Hanley, Pedroia, Cabrera, Willy...maybe the Sox/Ralins would work to include a dissapointing Coco Crisp in a deal...then we add a veteran catcher and away we go OBP with runners in scoring position: Josh Willingham .459 Jason Wood .457 Miguel Cabrera .444 . Aaron Boone .417 Matt Treanor .417 Hanley Ramirez .363 Jeremy Hermida .359 Mike Jacobs .333 Joe Borchard .317 Miguel Olivo .283 Dan Uggla .275 OBP in Close & Late Situations: Aaron Boone .488 Hanley Ramirez .416 Cody Ross .414 . Jeremy Hermida .396 Josh Willingham .338 Matt Treanor.333 Alejandro De Aza .316 Jason Wood .313 Miguel Cabrera .307 Alfredo Amezaga .301 . Miguel Olivo .300 Todd Linden .286 Mike Jacobs .280 Dan Uggla .270

The problem I am having with this team we have seen in two players. Miguel Olivo thinks he is being looked at as the one to blame. He thinks his play is acceptable and seems that his energy should be what the team looks at, not his play. Mike Jacobs is pissed because he gets replaced by Jason Wood. Two players that have lost the mindset that they nede to earn their job every day. They are more concerned and vocal about their pride than they are their statistics. Have you heard either talk about the team? Dan Uggla has talked about his hitting and non-hitting, far more often than he talks about important games. Scott Olsen from day one said we would have five 16 game winners, never has said we'll be a 500+ team. This team is very self-absorbed with their own jobs and statistics which we can all understand but when you add veterans and players that have been there and done that and willing to do whatever it takes to win you end up with players like Aaron Boone, Wes Helms, Jason Wood, Kevin Gregg....or how about Craig Biggio moving wherever the team needed him? Or ex-Marlins like Mike Redmond and Mark Redman. Or 1997's Darren Daulton and Jim Eisenreich.

Selig in S. Fla. to jump-start ballpark talks Posted on Tue, Aug. 28, 2007Digg del.icio.us AIM reprint print email BY BARRY JACKSON bjackson@MiamiHerald.com Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig and MLB president Bob DuPuy were in South Florida on Tuesday to try to push ahead the plans for a new Marlins ballpark. Selig, DuPuy and Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria were to meet with Miami and Miami-Dade County officials Tuesday afternoon. With the University of Miami announcing it was moving to Dolphin Stadium in 2008, recent talks have focused on the Orange Bowl site. A retractable-roof stadium is expected to cost at least $500 million. The Marlins and Major League Baseball prefer a downtown Miami site, but Miami-Dade Manager George Burgess said the Orange Bowl site would be less costly and less complicated. This marks Selig's first visit to South Florida to try to resolve the stadium issue. Selig is expected to hold a 5 p.m. news conference to discuss the Marlins' future.

The whole medical staff needs to be fired! This is ridiculous how they've misdiagnosed injuries all season. De Aza you have a sprained ankle, oops I mean broken leg. Hey Boonie just has a sprain in his knee um uh I mean you need surgery on that knee. You're a pitcher with a sore are, lets rest it a week or two and then send you to the minors for rehab and then find out you need Tommy John on it. Seriously is the same medical staff that has been here through AJ Burnett's arm strain and Spooney's sore elbow, also both needed surgery?!? :banghead Agreed. Last year we had so many players day to day that ended up being out of actions for weeks. How do you misdiagnose an ankle fracture and confuse it with a sprain? How do you not make this distinction until 2+ months after the original injury?

Without naming names there were more than a few that called Hermida a bust. That being said, let's not crown him 2008 Batting Champ just yet. But no doubt he should be batting second in our lineup. We saw what that spot does for Uggla, my goodness what the extra fastballs would do for Hermida. The OBA of Hanley + Hermida could could become a field day for Cabrera.

Hey, the boys are trying. It's baseball and it happens. Hopefully, we can end this streak and win a few games. Sorry, that was my Freddi impersonation.

Batting 1 for 12 (.083) with the bases loaded this year and .211 with runners in scoring position. Other than that he is fine. He has been a rally killer and his performance with risp has caused much pain. Last night's first inning is too indicative of many of his at bats. His power numbers show he has something to build on but he needs to learn to make contact more often. His big swings especially with two strikes show he is not working on contact. His power numbers show the results of fat fastballs pitched to him with Hanley on base and Cabrera on deck. There is nothing in his minor league history or anything outside of the first half of 2007 to make us think any different.

Dan is not quite the power hitter we think he is. Yes he takes the HR cut and sure he can drive the ball. Though it's just a very small sample I would be shocked if this was not the reality long term. Batting #2: .497 Slugging % (457AB) 69RBI 23HR Batting #5 .294 Slugging % (17AB) 1 RBI 0HR Batting # 6 .211 Slugging % (19AB) 0 RBI 0HR When Hanley bats in front of you(and is on base) you tend to get more fastballs to prevent steals. When Hanley bats in front of you, you are hitting with a runner on base 1 out of every 3 at bats and get better pitches to hit. With Cabrera on deck, no one ever wants to walk Uggla, especially with Hanley on base. This is why Uggla was able to take his HR cut, strike out quite a bit but also drive fat pitches deep. Now w/o the same kind of opportunity and protection pitchers are not challenging him with fat fastballs, but out of the strikezone curves and the dreaded inside high-fastball he can't lay off of. Unless Uggla decides to become a hitter, he is an under .250 hitter with some pop. We have seen hitters such as Willingham, Hanley, and Hermida adjust after pitchers figured them out. We have seen players such as Olivo and Uggla refuse or be unable to adjust. Come on Dan, 260-270 with 15-20 HRs would be perfectly fine. If you go for 30HRs next season, we're likely to see .240, an under .300OBA and a slugging% that fits the #8 spot in the lineup.

Then again, if our fans thought the Marlins were worth seeing as (little) as the fans on the road we'd draw 2.5MM and be pretty darn happy.

Sorry if this is in the wrong area but his fans are on this board Reds purchased the contract of catcher Ryan Jorgensen from Triple-A Louisville. The defensive-minded Jorgensen will serve as Javier Valentin's backup while David Ross is sidelined.

Catchers must be able to catch....Olivo is having trouble doing that. Treanor's ERA as catcher is more than 1/2 a run less than Olivo. Olivo has a great arm and has had quite a few clutch hits but he is not our catcher moving forward. We need a solid backstop and a guy that puts the bat on the ball.

I understand the economics behind the speculation, but it's getting ridiculous. I'm 24 years old and I'm on the verge of seeing the fourth major Marlins overhaul. I'm pretty much sick of acting as a AAAA team for the Mets/Red Sox/etc. Seriously. We are lucky enough to have a pitcher that is a poster boy for the league, and we are itching to get rid of him. At some point it just gets to be too much. I was very close to giving up on this franchise when Lowell and Luis were traded away, but I stuck around. If Dontrelle goes, I'm done with this team. Seeya!

Uggla on the bench tonight, finally! When he returns he should be batting in the second half of the lineup.

Uggla on the bench tonight, finally! When he returns he should be batting in the second half of the lineup.

If I can predict a Freddi move he will give Uggla a day off, start Amezaga at 2B and bat him second with Linden batting 7th in CF. Very soon, the lineup I'd like to see... Hanley Willy Cabrera Jacobs Ross Hermida Uggla Olivo/Treanor But I have no objection to Jeremy at # 2.

Tonight's game has shown exactly what we have been saying.....His name is STILL Dan Uggla, but he must be moved out of the prime-real estate spot of # 2 in the order.

El Penguino, I understand that when we are dealing with veterans. In Uggla's case we have all thrown stats on the board that show there is more reason(time) to believe he is a .240ave/.315OBA hitter than a .308ave/.360OBA hitter. I just think at this point the player that sits between two of the leagues best hitters should be more than someone that benefits from the protection.

I do not mean to knock Uggla as a bad player. Our team has holes and we have a few before we need to discuss second base. But as someone here said that he needs protection...well if he is a .210 hitter w/o protection then he is not our long term second baseman. I like Dan Uggla and I think his pop at 2B gives us something extra many teams do not have. However, shockingly power is not our problem.

2006 Pre All-Star Game .307 average .365 OBA Post All-Star Game .256 average .311 OBA 2007 .244 average .319OBA Runners on .218 Men on 2 out .076 Scoring Position .196 Count 0-2 .103 Count 1-2 .182 Count 2-2 .176 Count 3-2 .213 Is it fair to say that Dan Uggla is NOT the All-Star we saw last season? Is it fair to say his days as our # 2 batter are numbered? He is not a #2 hitter....he is a # 7 hitter, maybe # 6 on this team. As for his power? Well, when you sit between two of the best hitters in the game you get opportunities. I can make a case for three players to take over at # 2. Hermida - Last spring training that was the plan. He is a patient hiter that works the count. I'd love to see him between Hanley and Cabrera and see what he can do. Amezaga - I have not been a big fan but he is hittig. he makes contact. He has speed. Willingham - If you look at his numbers and the type of player he is...he would be a fantastic # 2 hitter.

Would you do Mike Jacobs for Melky Cabrera?

Once De Aza comes back from his injury which has seemed to last forever, I have a suggested lineup that might be a high risk, high reward, especially at the C position, but it might be nice. 1. SS Ramirez 2. LF Amezaga 3. 2B Uggla 4. 3B Cabrera 5. C Willingham 6. 1B Jacobs 7. CF De Aza 8. RF Hermieda 9. Pitcher Willingham, after all was a Catcher, who converted to Outfield. Uggla a # 3 hitter? You realize he's batting in the 240's, right? CF Ramirez RF Hermida 3B Cabrera 1B Jacobs LF Willingham 2B Uggla CF De Aza Ca Olivo I would like to see Hermida in te # 2 slot as was the intention as the start of ST last season. I'd also like to see Willingham there as he is more an OBA guy than a power guy. Solid OBA and makes contact. I also would experiment with Olico at #2. I have never seen a player that is as good in the clutch as he is but stinks in most every other at bat. He is the anti-Uggla who puts up numbers but rarely comes through in the big situation with a key hit or simply by making contact. Bottom line for me is Uggla is a #7 hitter if we have a lineup we are happy with....he gets the fastballs and RBI opportunities because he bats ahead of Cabrera or Hanley.

Yes, lets trade Uggla, Hanley, Olsen and Willy because they a too expensive (making basically minimum) and replace them with other players that are making minimum. Nice Post!

In AAA Carroll did great versus lefties and okay versus righties. I would guess he takes the place of Regie and plays aginst LHP's. Reggie wil go down tomorrow when JJ is activated.