The Herald's Barry Jackson is reporting that the Marlins have begun talks with second baseman Dan Uggla on a contract extension but that the two sides are "far apart" at the moment. Keep in mind that it's early in the process.

 

According to Jackson, the Marlins "appear willing to pay in the three-year, $30 million range," well below what Uggla's agent is seeking. Uggla has another year of salary arbitration remaining with the Marlins before he can become a free agent.

 

The Marlins are also expected to make pitcher Ricky Nolasco an offer on a multi-year deal. Nolasco can be a free agent after 2012.

 

 

 

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I refuse to get my hopes up. This will be dan's one big payday as a professional baseball player so I won't blame him for taking his time and exploring his options.

 

Hopefully we can get something done.

I refuse to get my hopes up. This will be dan's one big payday as a professional baseball player so I won't blame him for taking his time and exploring his options.

 

Hopefully we can get something done.

 

 

 

I agree it is his first big pay day and he certainly deserves $, but he is going to remember that the Marlins was the only team who gave him a shot. He may still be in the minors or earning minimum wage if it weren't for the FO picking him up. Thanks front office!!! :notworthy

I refuse to get my hopes up. This will be dan's one big payday as a professional baseball player so I won't blame him for taking his time and exploring his options.

 

Hopefully we can get something done.

 

 

 

I agree it is his first big pay day and he certainly deserves $, but he is going to remember that the Marlins was the only team who gave him a shot. He may still be in the minors or earning minimum wage if it weren't for the FO picking him up. Thanks front office!!! :notworthy

thats nice.. but imo it doesnt work like that.. maybe in fairy tales but everyone should know by now how (most) professional athletes work.

 

 

I'm guessing he is wanting a 4th year or somewhere in the 3/40 range

I wouldn't give him anymore than 3 years. I'm even hesitant on year 3.

 

If we do net him for 3 years, what does this do for Coghlan, our eventual 2B? If Dominguez is projected to come up in 2012 and plays 3B, where do we stick Cogs?

 

I'm just thinking ahead here is all.

Good to see they are talking. I thought they should have locked him up 3 years ago and saved themselves $ 7-8 million by the time he got FA in 2012 or 2013. They could have signed him to a 5 year $ 28 million contract in 2008. Instead they will end up paying him $ 7.8 million this year and at least $ 10-11 million next year (if it goes to arbitration). He got around $ 4 million last year, right ? To me if they could have had him for an average of $ 6 million through 2013 and instead will pay out over $ 40 million to him if he stays through 2014, when his skills could be on the downside.

It's B-Jack so I'm not too optimistic after reading just this report. Any other sources yet?

Ricky hasn't earned a multi year contract. Too inconsistent to warrant one. If we do give him a multi year deal, better be something like 3-4 years in the area of $6 million per year. If he had proven he could be a #2 starter this year he would probably warrant more, but he didn't prove anything other than he isn't a consistent pitcher this year.

 

Dan Uggla deserves a 3 or 4 year deal without a doubt. Hard to find a 2nd baseman in the majors not named Chase Utley who will put up the kind of offensive production Uggla has the last 5 years. I personally feel Uggla's gonna get signed for 3 years $35 million.

 

Utley's got 7 years $85 million in 2007, and due to the upscale nature of the deal he's making $15 million this year in his 4th year in the contract.

 

Marlins seem reluctant to go 4 years, and considering this organization basically saved Uggla in the Rule V draft, I think Uggla would be willing to take a reasonable deal, something like $8 million in 2011, $12 million in 2012 and $15 million in 2013. I don't think the Marlins will change their stance that they've kept for a while (exceptions being JJ and Hanley) that they won't go 4 years in a deal.

I refuse to get my hopes up. This will be dan's one big payday as a professional baseball player so I won't blame him for taking his time and exploring his options.

 

Hopefully we can get something done.

 

 

 

I agree it is his first big pay day and he certainly deserves $, but he is going to remember that the Marlins was the only team who gave him a shot. He may still be in the minors or earning minimum wage if it weren't for the FO picking him up. Thanks front office!!! :notworthy

 

In return Uggla gave the Marlins one hell of a power bat at an unexpected defensive position. In my opinion, he doesn't owe as much to this organization as they're going to say. With that said, I expect him to sign with this team in the end.

 

Whatever they do, I hope they don't make his contract expire in 2014. It seems that everyone we sign will need to be resigned that year.

Would be interesting to see what figure Uggla would be happy with if the use of an agent was not involved.

I refuse to get my hopes up. This will be dan's one big payday as a professional baseball player so I won't blame him for taking his time and exploring his options.

 

Hopefully we can get something done.

 

 

I call $7.8 mil this year and $5.35 mil last year pretty big paydays. But I get your point.

I wouldn't give him anymore than 3 years. I'm even hesitant on year 3.

 

If we do net him for 3 years, what does this do for Coghlan, our eventual 2B? If Dominguez is projected to come up in 2012 and plays 3B, where do we stick Cogs?

 

I'm just thinking ahead here is all.

 

 

Nothing wrong with thinking ahead.

 

I don't think it means much to Cogs. Too many "if's" at this point. Dominguez is an "if". Heck, Cogs handling 3B is an "if", although not that big of one. Then we have Martinez at SS in AA that could also be moved to either 3B or 2B and be ready to go later next season or 2012. For all we know, he could be deemed ready next ST. And that's not even considering bring in other guys via trade or FA. We have a habit of forgetting the surplus of $$$ (compared to now) that we will have in 2012.

 

I was surprised to see negotiations going on when this story broke a couple weeks ago. But it makes sense from a biz standpoint, if nothing else. Signing him and/or Ricky shows a reluctant fanbase that the team is looking for stability going into the new pond. That will equal fannies in the seats. Which means $$$ to spend. And remember the team motto. Everyone is tradeable. Just because guys sign 3 year (or whatever) contracts dosen't guarantee they will be here 3 years. Same goes for fan favorites. The FO wants that new stadium sold out almost every home game at least for 2012. That means alot of season tickets because the season ticket base is what determines payroll for us. I see this as marketing South Florida style.

If Uggla doest accept any deal with the Marlins, he's greedy. Sorry. He's made at least 13 million being a Marlin... He will get a three yr deal worth 30something...more money than God, so take it.

Ricky hasn't earned a multi year contract. Too inconsistent to warrant one. If we do give him a multi year deal, better be something like 3-4 years in the area of $6 million per year. If he had proven he could be a #2 starter this year he would probably warrant more, but he didn't prove anything other than he isn't a consistent pitcher this year.

 

 

 

 

I understand your inconsistency point. But....

 

Ricky makes $3.8 mil this year. JJ's is $3.75. Not that that means that much other than JJ's is backloaded. If they're looking to sign him for 3 years ya gotta figure that it is going to be worth more than $18 mil. Maybe backload it a bit and go 3 years for $24 mil? Don't know, just throwing a number out there.

 

Without knowing how season ticket sales are going for next year it's too hard to put a figure on what salary will be for next season. We need far more than long term contracts for a 2B and #2 starter, other than those contracts showing stability. And what salary is going to be for next season is going to determine who and for how much players get signed for. I wait til the Holiday Party when I get to talk to others in the FO besides just my sales rep to get a better handle on what season ticket sales are for the coming year.

 

I'm sure they are talking back loading contracts with the agents. Telling them what we can afford next season and then what we will be able to afford in 2012 and beyond. I bet the negotiations would be interesting to listen in on.

I think I'd rather give Nolasco/Anibal 3+ year deals than Uggla, at this point.

 

This organization needs pitching.

 

For all the talk about Nolasco's struggles, there's a reason why he has 12 wins. He's not a bad pitcher; he has a huge problem with the HR's allowed #, and I'm not sure if that's fixable (maybe it is). At any rate, Nolasco is still averaging 6 innings per start, and 14 of his 23 starts have been quality starts. It's probably going to be more difficult to replace Nolasco than to replace Uggla. Look at the starting pitching depth of the organization; we're not the Rays. We should be looking to add to the starting pitching, not the other way around.

 

Regarding Anibal, I never thought I'd say this (I actually wanted him gone last year because I never thought he'd be back), but he seems to be back to form now. He's had a good year. I'd give Ricky the contract first, simply because Anibal still has a torn labrum in his past, but point is, we need the starting pitching.

 

After the 3 of JJ, Nolasco, and Anibal which you could live with...I have little confidence in Volstad, more confidence in West but West is unproven, no confidence in Miller, and I'm not sure if Sanabia is a guy to count on yet for the future. He's not a power arm, and he still needs to develop a 3rd pitch, if he wants to be a starter. Guys like James, Hand, etc. are still a ways away.

 

I'd like to keep Uggla, but if we have to trade him to get more arms in return and keep Nolasco/Anibal, I'd trade him. Just put Coghlan at 2B, and Dominguez at 3B for the future lineup, and live with that. If Uggla is signed long-term, someone (Coghlan, Gaby, Morrison) has to be the odd man out for a trade for quality pitching. I really hope the organization plans to keep Dominguez. His defense at 3B sounds like a change/great thing, and he's going to be a power bat, as well. After Hanley, JJ, and Stanton, Dominguez should be the next guy in the organization who pretty much labels as an "untouchable," I'd think.

I think I'd rather give Nolasco/Anibal 3+ year deals than Uggla, at this point.

 

This organization needs pitching.

 

For all the talk about Nolasco's struggles, there's a reason why he has 12 wins. He's not a bad pitcher; he has a huge problem with the HR's allowed #, and I'm not sure if that's fixable (maybe it is). At any rate, Nolasco is still averaging 6 innings per start, and 14 of his 23 starts have been quality starts. It's probably going to be more difficult to replace Nolasco than to replace Uggla. Look at the starting pitching depth of the organization; we're not the Rays. We should be looking to add to the starting pitching, not the other way around.

 

Regarding Anibal, I never thought I'd say this (I actually wanted him gone last year because I never thought he'd be back), but he seems to be back to form now. He's had a good year. I'd give Ricky the contract first, simply because Anibal still has a torn labrum in his past, but point is, we need the starting pitching.

 

After the 3 of JJ, Nolasco, and Anibal which you could live with...I have little confidence in Volstad, more confidence in West but West is unproven, no confidence in Miller, and I'm not sure if Sanabia is a guy to count on yet for the future. He's not a power arm, and he still needs to develop a 3rd pitch, if he wants to be a starter. Guys like James, Hand, etc. are still a ways away.

 

I'd like to keep Uggla, but if we have to trade him to get more arms in return and keep Nolasco/Anibal, I'd trade him. Just put Coghlan at 2B, and Dominguez at 3B for the future lineup, and live with that. If Uggla is signed long-term, someone (Coghlan, Gaby, Morrison) has to be the odd man out for a trade for quality pitching. I really hope the organization plans to keep Dominguez. His defense at 3B sounds like a change/great thing, and he's going to be a power bat, as well. After Hanley, JJ, and Stanton, Dominguez should be the next guy in the organization who pretty much labels as an "untouchable," I'd think.

 

 

 

What about Morrison?

I like this news for many reasons, one of them is that I thought the FO had a policy of not talking about contracts during the year (which I was meh on. I can see their point, but I don't think you should shut the door on possible talks) and yet, this news breaks.

I know Uggla deserves another contract but at what price? More than Hanley? Yeah, that's not going to happen. I agree with Erick about Sanchez. He seems to be more consistent than Ricky. Ricky's either hit or miss. Anibal you can count on to give you solid outtings now. I'd be surprised to see him give up those big 7 ER games like Nolasco suffers from. Plus, they'd be easier to lock up than Uggla at this point.

The Herald's Barry Jackson is reporting that the Marlins have begun talks with second baseman Dan Uggla on a contract extension but that the two sides are "far apart" at the moment. Keep in mind that it's early in the process.

 

According to Jackson, the Marlins "appear willing to pay in the three-year, $30 million range," well below what Uggla's agent is seeking. Uggla has another year of salary arbitration remaining with the Marlins before he can become a free agent.

 

The Marlins are also expected to make pitcher Ricky Nolasco an offer on a multi-year deal. Nolasco can be a free agent after 2012.

 

 

 

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Take four for forty, Dan, with a club option with vesting possibilites for a fifth at ten.

 

Don't get greedy. You are worth more to the Marlins than to anyone else.

Two superstar contracts are enough.

>> If Uggla is signed long-term, someone (Coghlan, Gaby, Morrison) has to be the odd man out for a trade for quality pitching.>>

 

The key point. And 280 hitters who strike out a lot with no power and only average gloves are very expendable.

I wouldn't give him anymore than 3 years. I'm even hesitant on year 3.

 

If we do net him for 3 years, what does this do for Coghlan, our eventual 2B? If Dominguez is projected to come up in 2012 and plays 3B, where do we stick Cogs?

 

I'm just thinking ahead here is all.

 

 

Nothing wrong with thinking ahead.

 

I don't think it means much to Cogs. Too many "if's" at this point. Dominguez is an "if". Heck, Cogs handling 3B is an "if", although not that big of one. Then we have Martinez at SS in AA that could also be moved to either 3B or 2B and be ready to go later next season or 2012. For all we know, he could be deemed ready next ST. And that's not even considering bring in other guys via trade or FA. We have a habit of forgetting the surplus of $$ (compared to now) that we will have in 2012.

 

I was surprised to see negotiations going on when this story broke a couple weeks ago. But it makes sense from a biz standpoint, if nothing else. Signing him and/or Ricky shows a reluctant fanbase that the team is looking for stability going into the new pond. That will equal fannies in the seats. Which means $$ to spend. And remember the team motto. Everyone is tradeable. Just because guys sign 3 year (or whatever) contracts dosen't guarantee they will be here 3 years. Same goes for fan favorites. The FO wants that new stadium sold out almost every home game at least for 2012. That means alot of season tickets because the season ticket base is what determines payroll for us. I see this as marketing South Florida style.

 

Yeah, this. It's not a bad thing to have a surplus of quality players, IF that's how it turns out. And I agree with the marketing side. After a disappointing season, they need some good publicity.

 

They can probably get Ricky at a discount, too, considering his inconsistencies. And if he's inked to a reasonable deal, you know he'll at least be a good #4+++ with an ace/#2 ceiling.

 

The only thing I'll disagree with in this post is the notion that Ozzie Martinez could play 3B. He just doesn't have the kind of bat needed most likely, and he doesn't have too much power potential. 2B, though - who knows?

I'm just happy they're exploring extentions with them. If they make decent offers and the players choose to test the market, so be it. But I'm glad to see they're pursuing something.

 

I'd be happy with both. Ricky's had his ups and downs but he's going to give you innings and though we haven't seen it consistently, at his best he's a solid #2.

I wouldn't give him anymore than 3 years. I'm even hesitant on year 3.

 

If we do net him for 3 years, what does this do for Coghlan, our eventual 2B? If Dominguez is projected to come up in 2012 and plays 3B, where do we stick Cogs?

 

I'm just thinking ahead here is all.

 

 

At this point you need to give him 3 or 4 years to be able to obtain him.

Dominguez's ETA is 2012 and yeah Cogs will have to play 3rd for a few seasons, unless they want to move Uggla to 3rd which is doubtful.

The main thing is signing him as his production is needed in our lineup and he shouldn't really block Dominguez because my best guess is that in 2012 they will shop him again and try to net some prospects for him and give Dominguez the call up moving Coghlan to 2B.

I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of 3yr/37M is reasonable.

 

2011: 11M

2012: 13M

2013: 13M