Stanton cannot hit with RISP. I like that he hits bombs, but he is not a prototypical run producer.

 

He has a career .864 .OPS with runners in scoring position......with a .251 AVG. those type of numbers will keep him from being a perennial 100 RBI guy. Ozuna, although not as dynamic a player, seems like the type that will put the ball in play and produce w guys on base. He's a prototypical cleanup guy. I haven't seen anyone on this team as clutch since Miggy. Not Ozuna will be Miggy, but he just fits that mold a player than Stanton.

 

That's the difference between a guy like Votto and Miggy. Though both are great hitters, Votto is looking more to just get on base with RISP while Cabrera is looking to drive in the run. You guys remember the IBB hit from Cabrera when he was a Marlin that scored Hanley? That play kinda sums up the type of hitter Cabs is.

 

Votto has had over 100 RBI's twice and would've done it for a third consecutive year last year had he stayed healthy. If that's your reasoning for Stanton never reaching 100 RBI's, it's not a good one.

 

A player shouldn't be evaluated solely on the amount of RBI's he has.

Votto will put the ball in play and also hits for average in those situations, so 100+ RBI is inevitable for him a full season. I'm just saying that Cabrera is more aggressive at the plate in those situations, which I think values a team more.

 

YES YES YES YES YES a million zillion trillion times YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! A walk with a runner at second with 2 outs is as useful as diarea on prom night!!!!!!

That's my point the whole time. The job of the 1st and 2nd hitters is to become a catalyst-- a table setter for guys like Stanton to drive them in. That's why in the case of RISP, SLG is way more important than OBP. For a guy with prodigious power like Stanton, slugging under .500 with RISP is unacceptable.

So if there's a guy on 2nd with 2 outs and the pitcher throws a hitter four garbage pitches in the dirt, he's supposed to swing at them even though it's likely that he's going to make an out on such a pitch?

So if there's a guy on 2nd with 2 outs and the pitcher throws a hitter four garbage pitches in the dirt, he's supposed to swing at them even though it's likely that he's going to make an out on such a pitch?

 

I would let Vladimir Guerrero answer that question for me but he is too busy counting all the RBI he got from slamming pitches that were 10 inches off the plate or around his ankles.

Stanton cannot hit with RISP. I like that he hits bombs, but he is not a prototypical run producer.

 

He has a career .864 .OPS with runners in scoring position......with a .251 AVG. those type of numbers will keep him from being a perennial 100 RBI guy. Ozuna, although not as dynamic a player, seems like the type that will put the ball in play and produce w guys on base. He's a prototypical cleanup guy. I haven't seen anyone on this team as clutch since Miggy. Not Ozuna will be Miggy, but he just fits that mold a player than Stanton.

 

That's the difference between a guy like Votto and Miggy. Though both are great hitters, Votto is looking more to just get on base with RISP while Cabrera is looking to drive in the run. You guys remember the IBB hit from Cabrera when he was a Marlin that scored Hanley? That play kinda sums up the type of hitter Cabs is.

 

Votto has had over 100 RBI's twice and would've done it for a third consecutive year last year had he stayed healthy. If that's your reasoning for Stanton never reaching 100 RBI's, it's not a good one.

 

A player shouldn't be evaluated solely on the amount of RBI's he has.

 

Votto will put the ball in play and also hits for average in those situations, so 100+ RBI is inevitable for him a full season. I'm just saying that Cabrera is more aggressive at the plate in those situations, which I think values a team more.

 

 

 

 

Stanton was on pace for 113 RBI's last year had he stayed healthy.

On a terrible team.

At the age of 22.

 

I'm not sure why he has to be compared to Miguel Cabrera. It's like a Heat fan saying they would be better off trading LeBron because he's probably not Michael Jordan.

That's my point the whole time. The job of the 1st and 2nd hitters is to become a catalyst-- a table setter for guys like Stanton to drive them in. That's why in the case of RISP, SLG is way more important than OBP. For a guy with prodigious power like Stanton, slugging under .500 with RISP is unacceptable.

 

Agree 100 percent!!!!! Let the little guys walk all day. The opposing team will love for Stanton to walk 4 times a night. Joe Maddon wil tell you the same.. Best manager in the MLB.

So if there's a guy on 2nd with 2 outs and the pitcher throws a hitter four garbage pitches in the dirt, he's supposed to swing at them even though it's likely that he's going to make an out on such a pitch?

 

I would let Vladimir Guerrero answer that question for me but he is too busy counting all the RBI he got from slamming pitches that were 10 inches off the plate or around his ankles.

 

 

That's actually a pretty good post... lol

So if there's a guy on 2nd with 2 outs and the pitcher throws a hitter four garbage pitches in the dirt, he's supposed to swing at them even though it's likely that he's going to make an out on such a pitch?

 

I would let Vladimir Guerrero answer that question for me but he is too busy counting all the RBI he got from slamming pitches that were 10 inches off the plate or around his ankles.

 

 

Vladimir Guerrero was also a rare case of a hitter. You do realize that such a hitter is not the norm, right?

 

How many Vladimir Guerrero's do you see in baseball today? There aren't many guys in the big leagues who have a great deal of success despite swinging at so many balls out of the zone.

That's my point the whole time. The job of the 1st and 2nd hitters is to become a catalyst-- a table setter for guys like Stanton to drive them in. That's why in the case of RISP, SLG is way more important than OBP. For a guy with prodigious power like Stanton, slugging under .500 with RISP is unacceptable.

 

Agree 100 percent!!!!! Let the little guys walk all day. The opposing team will love for Stanton to walk 4 times a night. Joe Maddon wil tell you the same.. Best manager in the MLB.

 

 

So I think you just kinda defeated your own argument. If the other team is not going to give him something to hit, he's going to walk. Its up to the guy hitting behind Stanton to make the pitcher think twice about walking Stanton. Its not Stanton's responsibility to flail at pitches that no one can hit.

That's my point the whole time. The job of the 1st and 2nd hitters is to become a catalyst-- a table setter for guys like Stanton to drive them in. That's why in the case of RISP, SLG is way more important than OBP. For a guy with prodigious power like Stanton, slugging under .500 with RISP is unacceptable.

 

Agree 100 percent!!!!! Let the little guys walk all day. The opposing team will love for Stanton to walk 4 times a night. Joe Maddon wil tell you the same.. Best manager in the MLB.

 

 

So I think you just kinda defeated your own argument. If the other team is not going to give him something to hit, he's going to walk. Its up to the guy hitting behind Stanton to make the pitcher think twice about walking Stanton. Its not Stanton's responsibility to flail at pitches that no one can hit.

 

 

 

 

Tell that to Vladimir Guerrero though!!!

That's my point the whole time. The job of the 1st and 2nd hitters is to become a catalyst-- a table setter for guys like Stanton to drive them in. That's why in the case of RISP, SLG is way more important than OBP. For a guy with prodigious power like Stanton, slugging under .500 with RISP is unacceptable.

 

Agree 100 percent!!!!! Let the little guys walk all day. The opposing team will love for Stanton to walk 4 times a night. Joe Maddon wil tell you the same.. Best manager in the MLB.

 

 

So I think you just kinda defeated your own argument. If the other team is not going to give him something to hit, he's going to walk. Its up to the guy hitting behind Stanton to make the pitcher think twice about walking Stanton. Its not Stanton's responsibility to flail at pitches that no one can hit.

 

 

 

 

Tell that to Vladimir Guerrero though!!!

 

 

 

 

Haha, yeah. I guarantee you that Guerrero struck out way more chasing pitches like that then he did actually hitting them. Yeah, I remember him hitting some of those. We all do. But its not like it happened as much as this guy is romanticizing about. The bottom line is, he wants the hitter to get himself out by swinging at junk, rather than giving the next guy up a shot. That seems kind of odd to me.

So if there's a guy on 2nd with 2 outs and the pitcher throws a hitter four garbage pitches in the dirt, he's supposed to swing at them even though it's likely that he's going to make an out on such a pitch?

 

I would let Vladimir Guerrero answer that question for me but he is too busy counting all the RBI he got from slamming pitches that were 10 inches off the plate or around his ankles.That's because Vladimir could hardly read, let alone read pitches.

I encourage selectivity in pitchers. However, how selective of a hitter is Stanton really? He K' s 25% of the time while batting a .251 w/ RISP. He slugs under .500. Sure he doesn't get good pitches to hit, bt he also swings at a lot of bad pitches as well to the point where pitchers will keep throwing those bad pitchers until he improves his pitch recognition and has better command of the strike zone.

 

All the very good, perennial 100 RBI hitters have that same command I'm talking about, regardless of how much they're pitched around. 2 out of every 3 bombs for Stanton is a solo shot. He gets a chunk of his run producing RBI with no one on base. You might as well bat him leadoff. He is waisting his time batting 3rd I think.

I encourage selectivity in pitchers. However, how selective of a hitter is Stanton really? He K' s 25% of the time while batting a .251 w/ RISP. He slugs under .500. Sure he doesn't get good pitches to hit, bt he also swings at a lot of bad pitches as well to the point where pitchers will keep throwing those bad pitchers until he improves his pitch recognition and has better command of the strike zone.

 

All the very good, perennial 100 RBI hitters have that same command I'm talking about, regardless of how much they're pitched around. 2 out of every 3 bombs for Stanton is a solo shot. He gets a chunk of his run producing RBI with no one on base. You might as well bat him leadoff. He is waisting his time batting 3rd I think.

 

 

I would agree that Stanton does often swing at bad pitches. However, he's also a guy who I've seen improve on that as a game goes on. This year he's looked pretty bad, but I think he's obviously a lot better than he's shown earlier this year. Look, Stanton is far from perfect, but he's easily the best hitter this team has seen since Cabrera and trading him right now now is a bad idea.

I encourage selectivity in pitchers. However, how selective of a hitter is Stanton really? He K' s 25% of the time while batting a .251 w/ RISP. He slugs under .500. Sure he doesn't get good pitches to hit, bt he also swings at a lot of bad pitches as well to the point where pitchers will keep throwing those bad pitchers until he improves his pitch recognition and has better command of the strike zone.

 

All the very good, perennial 100 RBI hitters have that same command I'm talking about, regardless of how much they're pitched around. 2 out of every 3 bombs for Stanton is a solo shot. He gets a chunk of his run producing RBI with no one on base. You might as well bat him leadoff. He is waisting his time batting 3rd I think.

 

 

So, just to check if I'm following correctly, you don't think Stanton can be a perennial 100 RBI guy? Even though he definitely would have done it at the age of 22 last year had he stayed healthy (safe to assume he would've gotten 14 more RBI's given another 39 games)?

I'm actually glad we haven't traded him yet for those Texas prospects, underwhelming as they are.

 

Seattle or St. Louis would probably net us the best return at the deadline or offseason.

Or fucking keep him, i don't care. #nhldraftbitches

You trade him in the offseason only in one circumstance. If the front office goes up to him, offers to give him a long term contract, and he refuses to even listen, then you trade him.

 

Any other circumstance at this point? Yeah, you hold onto him and milk him for all he's got.

Stanton's hitting problem is that he does not recognize pitches early in the delivery.

 

Not likely to change.

 

Stanton is a useful six slot hitter on a good team. He'll get hot a couple of times a year and carry the team. But he will never be the type of hitter teams want at bat in big time clutch situations.

 

Good athlete but a little clumsy as a baseball player, great physique, questionable wheels, presently unmotivated, doesn't want to be a Marlin

 

Trade him. Now. For infielders.

How the hell did a Dominican get a first name "Vladamir"? Does nobody ever question that?

Also, I feel like he's hit a ball that's bounced, quite a few times.

 

But god forbid I say that, queue poster '...' to come in and rage against the Beinfest about how it was only once or twice and that doesn't quantify 'quite a few times' and blah blah blah Brian Moehler blah blah blah ten pounds of Beinfest in a 5 pound bag.

at this point i'd be fine whether they keep or trade him. cases can be made for both sides. obviously there's no such thing as a "can't miss" prospect so that's the gamble you'd be taking. If this was the first time he had been injured then there'd be no way on earth i'd want to move him but he's injured for significant time EVERY SEASON (or so it seems).

 

and i am not saying he seemed disinterested because he was struggling either. coghlan and lomo flat out sucked in recent times but they always seemed to be playing hard. Stanton just looked bored and disinterested this season.

What do

 

Stanton's hitting problem is that he does not recognize pitches early in the delivery.

 

Not likely to change.

 

Stanton is a useful six slot hitter on a good team. He'll get hot a couple of times a year and carry the team. But he will never be the type of hitter teams want at bat in big time clutch situations.

 

Good athlete but a little clumsy as a baseball player, great physique, questionable wheels, presently unmotivated, doesn't want to be a Marlin

 

Trade him. Now. For infielders.

 

 

why do you keep harping on this unmotivated BS? It's not like he's making $18m a year and mailing it in. The guy still has a lot to prove and he goes out there and gives it his all every time. His last injury was caused because one could say he hustled TOO hard and that's all I ever see when he plays. Everything else is unsubstantiated BS.

 

Your other points are even stupider than your unmotivated garbage.

A lot of stupidity on the boards over the last couple of days.

Penguin telling the chicken he'll never fly.

 

Sorry I don't actually believe that I've just always wanted to say it.