Chi Chi stinks. That would be a terrible trade.

 

 

As exciting as a cespedes signing would be. I rather keep ozuna through his arb years than have cespedes on a 6 year deal based on his age and inconsistency. 

 

 

As exciting as a cespedes signing would be. I rather keep ozuna through his arb years than have cespedes on a 6 year deal based on his age and inconsistency. 

 

This.

 

Keeping Ozuna over Cespedes could actually turn out to be our best "offseason move."

 

 

As exciting as a cespedes signing would be. I rather keep ozuna through his arb years than have cespedes on a 6 year deal based on his age and inconsistency. 

 

Would you rather an inconsistent Ozuna which we've already seen or an inconsistent Cespedes. A bat like him offers tons of protection for big G. The production of Cespedes vs a 3 starter is obviously night and day. This would be a total momentum shift in the division if Loria pulls this off. 

 

 

Thats for 2016, but if Bonds and Mattingly can right the Ozuna ship one can argue that throughout the term of longterm Cespedes deal, Ozuna may outperform him.

 

 

As exciting as a cespedes signing would be. I rather keep ozuna through his arb years than have cespedes on a 6 year deal based on his age and inconsistency. 

 

Agreed

 

 

I see both perspective on ozuna. However, I'll say this...

 

The NL east is perhaps at its weakest point in a long ass time. 

 

You could take this opportunity and get a cespedes, which would make that lineup deeper and immediately contend. 

 

It all comes down to your philosophy of going big to contend or being content with the current product. 

 

 

I see both perspective on ozuna. However, I'll say this...

 

The NL east is perhaps at its weakest point in a long ass time. 

 

You could take this opportunity and get a cespedes, which would make that lineup deeper and immediately contend. 

 

It all comes down to your philosophy of going big to contend or being content with the current product. 

 

Good post but I think the Mattingly way is seeing what you have before changing it so I'd say they're leaning towards Ozuna staying. But you're very right.

 

 

I really thought the Tigers were going to come in and sign Cespedes, they seem to move very quickly on signings. Instead they got Just Upton.

 

 

The Tigers seem to be reckless with their money. Yes they could be very good but their owner is 85 years old and when he's gone in a few years he could be leaving the new owner in a pile of monetary shit. I'd be scared as a fan.

 

 

The Tigers seem to be reckless with their money. Yes they could be very good but their owner is 85 years old and when he's gone in a few years he could be leaving the new owner in a pile of monetary shit. I'd be scared as a fan.

 

and How Old is Loria? as a fan I'm scared too

 

 

Think Loria is like 74-75. 

 

Doesn't look it tho. 

 

 

Think Loria is like 74-75. 

 

Doesn't look it tho. 

 

And he likes younger women just like me.

 

Shut up @squall

 

 

What? Loria does have good taste in women. His wife is hot.

 

I expected a comment from you when I said I like younger women.

 

 

I like Cespedes but the price for acquiring him seems to be very high. 

 

Also, Ozuna does have upside and his value is so low right now that its questionable whether we can get any SP of value for him. So even if we want to contend now, we still have a huge hole in our rotation that trading Ozuna does not seem to be the way to fix it.

 

So unless we sign Cespedes and Gallardo AND either keep Ozuna as a 4th OFer (which would certainly not be something Ozuna would be happy about) or trade him for prospects, I really don't see how signing just Cespedes would really make us a legit contender. 

 

If we ended up signing him as a fan I would think its awesome, but thinking pragmatically, I don't really see it as a solution short or long term. 

 

 

Trade Yelich. Sign Cespedes. Go into the season with that outfield

 

 

Trade Yelich. Sign Cespedes. Go into the season with that outfield

 

Yelich won't be traded

 

 

Keep Yelich.

 

He's already very, very good and he will continue to improve.

 

 

Yelich is definitely good & he'll get better. But everyone else knows that too & we won't be able to extend him. He gets a #2 starter for sure & maybe ++. You go into the season with a team that can legitimately compete. If you sign Cespedes 

 

 

Yelich is definitely good & he'll get better. But everyone else knows that too & we won't be able to extend him. He gets a #2 starter for sure & maybe ++. You go into the season with a team that can legitimately compete. If you sign Cespedes 

 

We already extended him!

 

 

Yelich is not going anywhere, its a good extension.

 

 

Yup. It's a great contract. It's also a great contract for everyone else too

 

 

Yup. It's a great contract. It's also a great contract for everyone else too

 

He won't be traded unless a team grossly overpays (like with Jose)

 

 

Welp since no cespedes...

 

Let me borrow gallardo then I'm done with this off-season.  

 

 

Do any of you believe that Samson's comments mean that they're done negotiating with him? Also, is it certain that any contract that was offered to him has been rejected?