SilverBullet Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 They are able to trade him until the deadline for deciding on the option. Ohh. didn't know that. Seems kinda stupid though. Or more like a technicality because what team is gonna bother trading for him when they could wait until Tuesday if they really want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share Posted November 3, 2016 Ohh. didn't know that. Seems kinda stupid though. Or more like a technicality because what team is gonna bother trading for him when they could wait until Tuesday if they really want him. Yes which is why the Marlins apparently have given up on the trade idea and will just decline the option. They will have to pay him a buyout of I think 400k too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 How about we sign Cespedes IF POSSIBLE, and trade Ozuna to Indians for one of Salazar OR Carrasco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 How about we sign Cespedes IF POSSIBLE, and trade Ozuna to Indians for one of Salazar OR Carrasco? not getting sal or carrasco for ozuna. bauer perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Yeah don't get how people aren't getting the fact that Ozuna's value isn't a Salazar or Carrasco. We even asked for those two last offseason in an Ozuna trade and were told no. Despite an improved season this year Ozuna's value is still Trevor Bauer. Salazar/Carrasco are cornerstone pieces for the Indians and not being traded. You look at Bauer and there's legit potential there, just a ton of inconsistency. His month of June this year (2.01) was better than anything a Marlins pitcher has done this season other than Jose. It's clear that he's a legit top end starter talent who with the right coaching could be a star. That wouldn't happen in Miami, so I wouldn't want him in an Indians trade, but he has star potential for somebody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Yeah don't get how people aren't getting the fact that Ozuna's value isn't a Salazar or Carrasco. We even asked for those two last offseason in an Ozuna trade and were told no. Despite an improved season this year Ozuna's value is still Trevor Bauer. Salazar/Carrasco are cornerstone pieces for the Indians and not being traded. You look at Bauer and there's legit potential there, just a ton of inconsistency. His month of June this year (2.01) was better than anything a Marlins pitcher has done this season other than Jose. It's clear that he's a legit top end starter talent who with the right coaching could be a star. That wouldn't happen in Miami, so I wouldn't want him in an Indians trade, but he has star potential for somebody. Ozuna is a terrible center field and such an inconsistent hitter. I do not know how much value he has even for an "all star". He was good for 4 months his whole career (2 last year and 2 months prior seasons). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Ozuna is a terrible center field and such an inconsistent hitter. I do not know how much value he has even for an "all star". He was good for 4 months his whole career (2 last year and 2 months prior seasons). No. You're just wrong and I hate every opinion you've ever had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 But for real that comment just isn't right. He was a 5 WAR outfielder in '14 and around an .800 OPS guy this past year. He might not have top value but you're incredibly naive to say he has little to no value just because you don't like the way he plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 No. You're just wrong and I hate every opinion you've ever had. I like gays, I like women, I like ethnic minorities, I like low-income and single parent families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Based on .OPS Ozuna was one of the five best outfielders in the entire National League the first half of the season. That is better than Bryce Harper, Dexter Fowler, and even Giancarlo Stanton/Christian Yelich were to start the year. He was putting up incredible production and fell off due to inconsistency. That hurts his value, sure. But it doesn't take it any lower than it should be. Which is at the very least a legit #3 starter in the major leagues with #2 potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Based on .OPS Ozuna was one of the five best outfielders in the entire National League the first half of the season. That is better than Bryce Harper, Dexter Fowler, and even Giancarlo Stanton/Christian Yelich were to start the year. He was putting up incredible production and fell off due to inconsistency. That hurts his value, sure. But it doesn't take it any lower than it should be. Which is at the very least a legit #3 starter in the major leagues with #2 potential. Yes he had 2 good months last year. My opinion sucks because I watch the games, I am not into saber metrics and memorizing their hat and waist size and whether they wear briefs or boxers during the game. I leave that to Mike Hill and Co. to figure out. I know their averages, their slugging, and their fielding. I know he has trouble catching a ball over his head and playing caroms off the wall. I apologize for being a shitty fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 None of this is about sabermetrics. It's common sense. And I watch the games. Many people who also like to keep even basic numbers in mind watch games as well. That doesn't make your opinion on this any less terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 Defensive metrics have Ozuna mostly as a slightly above average defensive outfielder. If you want to see bad outfielders in Marlins history please go watch video of Chris Coghlan and Logan Morrison playing left field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Marlins25 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Trade Stanton for Kris Bryant and trade Chen and Ozuna for a new star Pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Ohh. didn't know that. Seems kinda stupid though. Or more like a technicality because what team is gonna bother trading for him when they could wait until Tuesday if they really want him. It's just what I thought,too,but at the same time I think another Loria would trade for him to save about 50K minor league deal money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 MLB.com has a list of pending free agents and for the Marlins it says Rodney could be a trade piece as the Marlins are unlikely to pick up his option. Am I wrong or is that not how this works? If they don't pick up his option isn't he a free agent and thus can't be traded? He'd have to have the option picked up before he can be traded if trading him was the plan, right? Anyone clarify this? (not you [uSER=5078]@pollyvonwog[/uSER] I don't have time to wait) my people are looking into this and will have some clarity for you ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 You look at Bauer and there's legit potential there, just a ton of inconsistency. His month of June this year (2.01) was better than anything a Marlins pitcher has done this season other than Jose. It's clear that he's a legit top end starter talent who with the right coaching could be a star. That wouldn't happen in Miami, so I wouldn't want him in an Indians trade, but he has star potential for somebody. "legit top-end starter talent but no because Marlins" seems an odd argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 Defensive metrics have Ozuna mostly as a slightly above average defensive outfielder. If you want to see bad outfielders in Marlins history please go watch video of Chris Coghlan and Logan Morrison playing left field. No way is he slightly above average CFer. I have to delve into their formula. He has a rocket arm tho for sure but so many balls get by him or over his head and the countless doubles he turns into triples. I would say Bryan Peterson is the best CFer the marlins had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 No more Gio Gonzalez,Jaime Garcia and Clay Buchholz,all been picked up the 2017 options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_gmac Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 No more Gio Gonzalez,Jaime Garcia and Clay Buchholz,all been picked up the 2017 options. we can still bring Cashner on a 5 yr deal back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 we can still bring Cashner on a 5 yr deal back But I seeing he reject it due to the " No Facial hair Policy ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 "legit top-end starter talent but no because Marlins" seems an odd argument. It's because I don't trust the current staff to turn potential like Bauer into legitimate numbers. Under a different system Bauer is worth a chance but he would be ruined here in my own opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legacyofCangelosi Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 The Indians still are a logical trade partner because they have an abundance of starting pitching and they can stand to improve their OF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 So are we all pretty much in agreement that if we somehow had good starting pitching this team can compete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted November 5, 2016 Share Posted November 5, 2016 So are we all pretty much in agreement that if we somehow had good starting pitching this team can compete? With last year's production sure. I don't think we're all in agreement that guys like Realmuto, Ichiro, Bour, and Prado will perform as well as they did last season. That may become a wash if Stanton returns to form, but there were definitely overperforming players in our lineup last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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