So what did he say... that fans still shouldn't show up even though the organization is doing what they said they would and that at least the team is showing signs of hope? 

 

It's a young franchise.... it's also one that has been getting dicked around for 27 years. Fans just aren't going to show up because they're showing signs of hope. They'll show up when they field a team that consistently fields a good product. This isn't something that is going to happen in year 2 of Jeter. This is something that will happen in year 7 in a best case scenario. I understand what Geffner was saying but we can't put this at the feet of the fans when they haven't made the playoffs in 15 years, are continuously in last place and trade away their best players. 

 

I absolutely love the current direction of the team. If I lived in Miami, I would go quite often.  (But I don't.. I try to go to Milwaukee, Chicago or St. Louis once or twice a year for a series). But you want to attract the casual fan.. and that's not going to happen until they are consistently competitive. 

 

I love Geffner's passion but he needs to cool it with expectations. That isn't happening overnight.. but at least we have the makings of a FO that is competent and a bunch of good young pitchers.. is nice a start 

 

 

As much as I still hate the Yelich trade, it’s sooooooooooooo incredibly short sighted to hate Jeter and stop attending games at Marlins Park because of the Yelich trade.  

 

Don’t underestimate, though, the amount of tri-county residents that feel exactly like that guy who says he will go back when Jeter is gone because Jeter traded Yelich for a bag of peanuts.  There are WAY more of those people than there are people who understand that it’s a process. 

 

I was wearing a Marlins hat yesterday at my friends' condo's pool and he started talking about the Marlins because of my hat - his opening words were "I'm done with the Marlins"...."and Jeter" - he mentioned the trades of Stanton/Yelich, and how fans have been treated over the years (brought up Cabrera, etc).  So it's definitely a feeling/ something that's out there.

 

That said, I'm guessing if things go according to plan, and the team is competitive year in and year out, that he/they'll return.

 

 

That isn't happening overnight.. but at least we have the makings of a FO that is competent and a bunch of good young pitchers.. is nice a start 

 

I think Glenn is just asking for the start of some support the other way as well, I don't think he was blaming everyone and expecting the fans to forget everything and become season ticket holders today. He pretty much just said "the team is playing well and a 6 game homestand is about to start, maybe those who haven't gone yet should drop the shallow excuses and start considering going a bit more." Not too much to ask.

 

 

  So it's definitely a feeling/ something that's out there.

 

Yes but the feeling is driven by narratives too. If the media had, hypothetically, universally praised Jeter's early moves and the big trades then more people would have dropped the shallow excuses by now. I know in my gut that the vast majority of the people complaining about the Yelich trade didn't know who Yelich was when he was a Marlin. They know him after the fact because of all the rah rah BS that came out at that time and since then. 

 

 

This is not directed at any individual, If you still don't feel like supporting the Marlins yet because of all the teardowns and mistrust, then fine, you can still go to their games to watch the future HOFers on other teams play; if you are a fan of baseball, then watch a baseball game (who cares in all seriousness who is playing)... When I could travel, I would go to Phillies games often, (even if the Marlins weren't in town), not to support the Phillies but to watch the other teams; for example I went years ago to watch the Reds because Griffey Jr was coming to town...

 

 

I think Glenn is just asking for the start of some support the other way as well, I don't think he was blaming everyone and expecting the fans to forget everything and become season ticket holders today. He pretty much just said "the team is playing well and a 6 game homestand is about to start, maybe those who haven't gone yet should drop the shallow excuses and start considering going a bit more." Not too much to ask.

 

The starting pitching has been fantastic; they deserve people coming out to cheer them on; they earned it

 

 

Man, I wish the closest ballpark to me wasn't a 5 hour drive away.  NC is a dead state for MLB.  Back when I lived in California I would try and make games when the marlins dropped by San Fran or Oakland, even if those were one to two hour drives. Totes worth.  

 

When I get the money I'm going to try and set up a trip to go see a series in either Atlanta or Washington...though with the cost of airfare I might just take the dive and spend a weekend in Miami. 

 

 

Yes but the feeling is driven by narratives too. If the media had, hypothetically, universally praised Jeter's early moves and the big trades then more people would have dropped the shallow excuses by now. I know in my gut that the vast majority of the people complaining about the Yelich trade didn't know who Yelich was when he was a Marlin. They know him after the fact because of all the rah rah BS that came out at that time and since then. 

 

Oh, I agree with you.  The narrative was "ANOTHER firesale", and not "rebuilding the right way"

 

 

Someone sent me a link to this conversation. Great stuff. One of the big things the Marlins need is more fans like most of you who have posted here. I appreciate everyone’s passion. 

 

One of the commenters wondered what motivated me to send out the Tweets I did Sunday night. I’ll answer that question here. 

 

I was on the team bus, heading from the ballpark to the airport after the Marlins finished off the sweep of the Phillies Sunday. I was reflecting on a 20-15 stretch and, especially, the just-completed 5-2 road trip, watching the team play so well for a week in a couple of great baseball markets in ballparks packed with 40,0000 passionate fans each night night. And then I thought about flying home to an incredible ballpark but only 6,000 fans and Max Scherzer Tuesday night. 

 

It just hit me that things are beginning to change for this franchise on and off the field under this new ownership, and it’s time that people begin to acknowledge that. Things are improving in tangible ways that people in this discussion can see. As someone who grew up down here and left the Boston Red Sox because I wanted to work for my hometown team at a time when I probably still smelled like champagne after winning a second World Series in my last 4 seasons there in 2007, it frustrates the heck out of me that too many people just won’t move on from things that happened under previous owners 5 or 10 or 25 years ago. At some point, you’re either a baseball fan, or you’re not. You’re either a Marlins fan, or you’re not. In my eyes, it’s not a crime to not care about the Marlins. That’s cool. But eventually that’s on you. That’s not on a former owner. It’s not about needing a new ballpark or needing to be out of the heat and the rain. It’s not about trading away players people loved but somehow played in front of the lowest attendance in the league year after year. At some point, own it. It’s on you.

 

Now, I realize that most of the people reading this don’t fall into that group. As I said in the thread, I can’t begin to express my appreciation for those who are dedicated fans of this team. I acknowledge it hasn’t always been easy to be a Marlins fan. But you know what? Your faith and your devotion is getting closer to being rewarded. For the first time in its history, this franchise has a plan that is being adhered to and is in the earliest stages of bearing fruit. As much as we want to celebrate some of the exciting things beginning to happen as some players graduate to the big leagues, others begin to establish themselves and some begin to produce because they’re finally healthy, we’re still in the 2nd or 3rd inning of this thing. There is so much more talent on the way. Guys who will be here before the end of this season. Some who will arrive next year. Some further down the road.

 

They have transformed the scouting and player development operation. They are doing things internationally that have never before been done here. They have transformed the clubhouse and organizational culture. They are bringing in talented players who want to be here and are being taught daily what it takes to sustain success. And they’re immersing themselves in the community and have worked hard to improve the ballpark experience through various enhancements, including cheaper tickets and concessions. You can go to a game for $10 and buy ballpark staples for $3 or $5. 

 

I could go on, but there’s probably a character limit at some point. Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who have been supportive of the team and to those who supported my thread the other night. I hope you guys will keep coming out to Marlins Park and will encourage others to do so. Explain to people what you and I are seeing that maybe they don’t yet see. It’s not going to win over everybody, but that’s fine. Fans like you can be part of the solution.

 

Thanks for the passion! Look forward to seeing you at Marlins Park, and here’s to some great days down the road for this franchise. Fans like you deserve them more than anybody.

 

Glenn

 

 

This has to be the greatest Twitter thread I have ever seen. Geff clearly Point-by-Point explains why there can’t be any more excuses for not attending games.

 

The best part is after the thread when the first fan reply is how these players might get traded when they reach arbitration. 

 

Geff responds by telling the fan that having a**es in the seats helps!

 

We can’t as a fanbase live in fear that our favorite players will be traded away. This ownership group has proven that they can make transactions that are in the short and long term interest of the team. If this team performs the way they have over the last 36 games (25-11) our paid attendance will be well over 15,000 per game in the near future.

 

One minor change that I would make is keeping the roof open unless temps reach 88 Degrees or there is over a 40% chance of storms. Being overly conservative and keeping the roof closed when there might be a small pop-up shower keeps fans from enjoying the mostly outstanding weather in Late March, April, May, and Early June. The attendance and environment would be better with 85 degree weather even with a chance for a small shower than being indoors. The roof should be used to avoid extreme heat 88+ degree weather or heavy thunderstorms in Late June, July, August, and Early September.

 

 

This tweet sums up my feelings on the roof...

 

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This tweet sums up my feelings on the roof...

 

Which one?

 

 

Hate to be a downer but a 13-27 record at home with frequent blowouts is the among the worst PR negatives the team is dealing with. Start being at least more competitive at home and attendance with start edging up a bit.

 

I like the starting pitching. At least that's a start.

 

 

Hate to be a downer but a 13-27 record at home with frequent blowouts is the among the worst PR negatives the team is dealing with. Start being at least more competitive at home and attendance with start edging up a bit.

 

I completely agree with this but as Geffner pointed out the low home attendance doesn't help, the team likely plays better in front of bigger crowds so it's like a question of "what came first the chicken or the egg"... maybe home wins will come when the bigger crowds show up? Or do the bigger crowds not show up until the home wins show up? 

 

I don't know if there's a correct answer to this and I'm not saying they can't win in front of smaller crowds and I'm not saying fans need to come out asap but it's an interesting thought. 

 

 

Which one?

 

The reply when he says he would rather they close the roof so he doesn't die. It just reminded me of the way I felt at Opening day 2018. 

 

 

Someone sent me a link to this conversation. Great stuff. One of the big things the Marlins need is more fans like most of you who have posted here. I appreciate everyone’s passion. 

 

One of the commenters wondered what motivated me to send out the Tweets I did Sunday night. I’ll answer that question here. 

 

I was on the team bus, heading from the ballpark to the airport after the Marlins finished off the sweep of the Phillies Sunday. I was reflecting on a 20-15 stretch and, especially, the just-completed 5-2 road trip, watching the team play so well for a week in a couple of great baseball markets in ballparks packed with 40,0000 passionate fans each night night. And then I thought about flying home to an incredible ballpark but only 6,000 fans and Max Scherzer Tuesday night. 

 

It just hit me that things are beginning to change for this franchise on and off the field under this new ownership, and it’s time that people begin to acknowledge that. Things are improving in tangible ways that people in this discussion can see. As someone who grew up down here and left the Boston Red Sox because I wanted to work for my hometown team at a time when I probably still smelled like champagne after winning a second World Series in my last 4 seasons there in 2007, it frustrates the heck out of me that too many people just won’t move on from things that happened under previous owners 5 or 10 or 25 years ago. At some point, you’re either a baseball fan, or you’re not. You’re either a Marlins fan, or you’re not. In my eyes, it’s not a crime to not care about the Marlins. That’s cool. But eventually that’s on you. That’s not on a former owner. It’s not about needing a new ballpark or needing to be out of the heat and the rain. It’s not about trading away players people loved but somehow played in front of the lowest attendance in the league year after year. At some point, own it. It’s on you.

 

Now, I realize that most of the people reading this don’t fall into that group. As I said in the thread, I can’t begin to express my appreciation for those who are dedicated fans of this team. I acknowledge it hasn’t always been easy to be a Marlins fan. But you know what? Your faith and your devotion is getting closer to being rewarded. For the first time in its history, this franchise has a plan that is being adhered to and is in the earliest stages of bearing fruit. As much as we want to celebrate some of the exciting things beginning to happen as some players graduate to the big leagues, others begin to establish themselves and some begin to produce because they’re finally healthy, we’re still in the 2nd or 3rd inning of this thing. There is so much more talent on the way. Guys who will be here before the end of this season. Some who will arrive next year. Some further down the road.

 

They have transformed the scouting and player development operation. They are doing things internationally that have never before been done here. They have transformed the clubhouse and organizational culture. They are bringing in talented players who want to be here and are being taught daily what it takes to sustain success. And they’re immersing themselves in the community and have worked hard to improve the ballpark experience through various enhancements, including cheaper tickets and concessions. You can go to a game for $10 and buy ballpark staples for $3 or $5. 

 

I could go on, but there’s probably a character limit at some point. Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who have been supportive of the team and to those who supported my thread the other night. I hope you guys will keep coming out to Marlins Park and will encourage others to do so. Explain to people what you and I are seeing that maybe they don’t yet see. It’s not going to win over everybody, but that’s fine. Fans like you can be part of the solution.

 

Thanks for the passion! Look forward to seeing you at Marlins Park, and here’s to some great days down the road for this franchise. Fans like you deserve them more than anybody.

 

Glenn

 

Thank you Glenn.

 

You said what a lot of us were thinking. It is important and great to hear it from someone like yourself.

 

 

@Glenn Geffner

 

Thank you Glenn for your post and your great work and love of the team!

 

We're an avid and lively community of real and long time Marlins fans from all over the world and it's nice to feel like we're being heard, thanks again! 

 

 

Roof should be closed if it’s ever hotter than 79. Most people rightfully wont go to a game if it’s open when it’s 85 degrees with 400 percent humidity like it is every night from May 15-September 30. Roof closed is bae  

 

I still remember a day game in joe Robbie in 2004 with d train pitching where we had to keep drinking water because of how offensively hot it was. (Granted it was a day game ). 

 

 

Whoa, Geff posted here that's awesome!

 

 

Someone sent me a link to this conversation. Great stuff. One of the big things the Marlins need is more fans like most of you who have posted here. I appreciate everyone’s passion. 

 

One of the commenters wondered what motivated me to send out the Tweets I did Sunday night. I’ll answer that question here. 

 

I was on the team bus, heading from the ballpark to the airport after the Marlins finished off the sweep of the Phillies Sunday. I was reflecting on a 20-15 stretch and, especially, the just-completed 5-2 road trip, watching the team play so well for a week in a couple of great baseball markets in ballparks packed with 40,0000 passionate fans each night night. And then I thought about flying home to an incredible ballpark but only 6,000 fans and Max Scherzer Tuesday night. 

 

It just hit me that things are beginning to change for this franchise on and off the field under this new ownership, and it’s time that people begin to acknowledge that. Things are improving in tangible ways that people in this discussion can see. As someone who grew up down here and left the Boston Red Sox because I wanted to work for my hometown team at a time when I probably still smelled like champagne after winning a second World Series in my last 4 seasons there in 2007, it frustrates the heck out of me that too many people just won’t move on from things that happened under previous owners 5 or 10 or 25 years ago. At some point, you’re either a baseball fan, or you’re not. You’re either a Marlins fan, or you’re not. In my eyes, it’s not a crime to not care about the Marlins. That’s cool. But eventually that’s on you. That’s not on a former owner. It’s not about needing a new ballpark or needing to be out of the heat and the rain. It’s not about trading away players people loved but somehow played in front of the lowest attendance in the league year after year. At some point, own it. It’s on you.

 

Now, I realize that most of the people reading this don’t fall into that group. As I said in the thread, I can’t begin to express my appreciation for those who are dedicated fans of this team. I acknowledge it hasn’t always been easy to be a Marlins fan. But you know what? Your faith and your devotion is getting closer to being rewarded. For the first time in its history, this franchise has a plan that is being adhered to and is in the earliest stages of bearing fruit. As much as we want to celebrate some of the exciting things beginning to happen as some players graduate to the big leagues, others begin to establish themselves and some begin to produce because they’re finally healthy, we’re still in the 2nd or 3rd inning of this thing. There is so much more talent on the way. Guys who will be here before the end of this season. Some who will arrive next year. Some further down the road.

 

They have transformed the scouting and player development operation. They are doing things internationally that have never before been done here. They have transformed the clubhouse and organizational culture. They are bringing in talented players who want to be here and are being taught daily what it takes to sustain success. And they’re immersing themselves in the community and have worked hard to improve the ballpark experience through various enhancements, including cheaper tickets and concessions. You can go to a game for $10 and buy ballpark staples for $3 or $5. 

 

I could go on, but there’s probably a character limit at some point. Just wanted to say thanks to those of you who have been supportive of the team and to those who supported my thread the other night. I hope you guys will keep coming out to Marlins Park and will encourage others to do so. Explain to people what you and I are seeing that maybe they don’t yet see. It’s not going to win over everybody, but that’s fine. Fans like you can be part of the solution.

 

Thanks for the passion! Look forward to seeing you at Marlins Park, and here’s to some great days down the road for this franchise. Fans like you deserve them more than anybody.

 

Glenn

 

Yes daddy Glenn, yesss. ❤️

 

Welcome to the website! Got a whole bunch of diehards here through thick and thin. ?

 

 

I remember seeing a quote a long time along the lines of: "At home games, your fanbase is the 26th player."  .... I believe this to be true.... 

 

 

I remember seeing a quote a long time along the lines of: "At home games, your fanbase is the 26th player."  .... I believe this to be true.... 

 

Totally agree. 

 

 

I remember seeing a quote a long time along the lines of: "At home games, your fanbase is the 26th player."  .... I believe this to be true.... 

 

Does security and the police department know this? Because they always tackle me when I try and get on the field.

 

 

I completely agree with this but as Geffner pointed out the low home attendance doesn't help, the team likely plays better in front of bigger crowds so it's like a question of "what came first the chicken or the egg"... maybe home wins will come when the bigger crowds show up? Or do the bigger crowds not show up until the home wins show up? 

 

I don't know if there's a correct answer to this and I'm not saying they can't win in front of smaller crowds and I'm not saying fans need to come out asap but it's an interesting thought. 

 

Without a doubt, not just the marlins, but any sports team is going to benefit from the adrenaline rush that comes with hearing 30K+ completely invested in what you are doing. All I need is 2-3 people to watch me playing ping pong and say "wow, he's pretty good" and I'm going full Forest Gump mode. I think it's akin to a band booking a gig and seeing 5 people in the crowd...You get that "what's the point" feeling. Unfortunately, the team needs to win before people come, but it's an uphill battle without fans in seats to not only provide the resources required to field a competitive team, but also to bring out the best in the players. I bought a 20 game package and am going twice this weekend even though yes, I'm usually completely depressed by the 5th inning when we're inevitably down 5-1 but I know that my support and attendance is required....these are trying times in the marlin kingdom I tell you lol

 

 

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