11 hours ago, Das Texan said:

her hands were literally tied.

 

Don't think you understand the meaning of the word literally. 

Just now, SilverBullet said:

Don't think you understand the meaning of the word literally. 

How can we be sure though? Could explain why she can't make phone calls.

1 hour ago, SonOfJack said:

How can we be sure though? Could explain why she can't make phone calls.

Then how could she answer them too?

Check and mate.

5 hours ago, Michael said:

Then how could she answer them too?

Check and mate.

you dont need your hands to answer phone calls these days on some phones.

2 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

you dont need your hands to answer phone calls these days on some phones.

This is true.

Going to need another reset after that loss.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/09/marlins-planning-to-retain-gm-kim-ng.html

 

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The Marlins are planning to bring back general manager Kim Ng, reports Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald. He adds that Ng and owner Bruce Sherman met last week as the organization charts out a plan for the upcoming offseason.

It’s not particularly surprising, as there’s never been any indication Sherman was seriously considering replacing Ng. First hired over the 2020-21 offseason, Ng has been at the helm of the front office for the past two years. Much of that time was spent working alongside CEO Derek Jeter and vice president of scouting/player development Gary Denbo, but both have moved on from the franchise in recent months. Jeter stepped down in February, while Denbo was let go at the end of June. Sherman, for his part, indicated he’ll remain in his role for the long haul. He tells Jackson he has “never considered” selling the team and is “more deeply invested in the team’s success now than ever.”

While Ng will hold onto her position at the top of the front office, Jackson reports that Miami is expected to make some changes both at the lower levels of the front office and on the major league coaching staff. Whether that extends to manager Don Mattingly remains to be seen, but the skipper is believed to be in the final year of his contract. Both Mattingly and the Marlins picked up a 2022 mutual option on his deal last July, but there’s no indication the sides have extended their relationship beyond this year.

Hired in November 2015, Mattingly has spent the past seven seasons running the show in South Florida. He’s the second-longest tenured skipper in the National League behind Milwaukee’s Craig Counsell and the fifth-longest tenured in the majors, but the Marlins carry a 431-576 record (.428 win percentage) over that stretch. The Fish were rebuilding early in his tenure, but they’d hoped to turn a corner after earning a playoff berth during the abbreviated 2020 campaign.

Competing over a full schedule in 2021 may have been too optimistic for such a young roster, but a 67-95 showing had to be a disappointment. Even more deflating, Miami is trending towards a similar result this year. That’s in spite of a relatively aggressive offseason (at least by the franchise’s standards), in which the Fish brought in Avisaíl García and Jorge Soler on multi-year free agent deals and acquired Joey Wendle and Jacob Stallings via trade. All four of those players have underwhelmed to varying degrees, and the Marlins have again trotted out one of the sport’s most punchless offenses. Miami entered play Monday ranked 27th in on-base percentage (.294) and 28th in slugging (.363).

Speaking with Jackson, Sherman acknowledged the team’s performance this year “has been immensely frustrating.” He indicated the club believed they’d be capable of contending for a playoff spot entering the season and admitted “we were not as good as we thought we’d be.” Sherman indicated they’d take another shot at competing in 2023 and weren’t planning to orchestrate another rebuild.

That aligns with recent reports that the club intends to again look for offensive help, perhaps by dangling some of its controllable pitching in trade. Asked by Jackson whether the lackluster early returns on the Soler and García contracts would deter the team from dipping into free agency, Sherman said “no” and indicated they’d “continue to explore all options” to talent acquisition. At the same time, he largely demurred when asked about the payroll, noting only that he “(expects) to continue to invest once again in our Major League payroll in 2023.”

Spending is an ever-present question for the Marlins, who haven’t exceeded $80MM in Opening Day payroll in any of the past four seasons (according to Cot’s Baseball Contracts). This year’s roughly $79.6MM mark ranks 26th leaguewide. Miami has roughly $45MM in guaranteed commitments on the books for next season, in the estimation of Jason Martinez of Roster Resource. That doesn’t include potential arbitration raises for players like Wendle, Brian Anderson, Pablo López, Garrett Cooper, Stallings and Jon Berti, though. Some members of that group are likely to be traded or non-tendered, but the available payroll space could dry up relatively quickly if Miami’s not willing to push much past this year’s spending level. That’d leave a challenging task for Ng and her front office to construct a roster capable of contending for the organization’s first playoff spot in a 162-game season since 2003.

 

This whole idea that Ng would be sacked after 2 years on the job is just weird given she hasnt gotten the chance to make really any hirings of staff under her.  

1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

This whole idea that Ng would be sacked after 2 years on the job is just weird given she hasnt gotten the chance to make really any hirings of staff under her.  

So we have to hold off on starting the clock at all until it's all her hirelings?

Fuck.

Just now, Michael said:

So we have to hold off on starting the clock at all until it's all her hirelings?

Fuck.

We have leveled up. Now we have future clock resets to look forward to.

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

We have leveled up. Now we have future clock resets to look forward to.

Then once it's all her staff, the clock is going to have to call her to ask if it can start.

1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

This whole idea that Ng would be sacked after 2 years on the job is just weird given she hasnt gotten the chance to make really any hirings of staff under her.  

Agreed!!!!!

Judging Kim on 2 years as GM with one being during the pandemic. Get a grip folks

All the Bs going to be yelling at me now 😆 

Just now, pollythewog said:

All the Bs going to be yelling at me now 😆 

So you gonna yell at yourself?

9 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

So you gonna yell at yourself?

Every day pal 😢

1 hour ago, pollythewog said:

Judging Kim on 2 years as GM with one being during the pandemic. Get a grip folks

yeah every GM is going to make dumb trades or ink a bad contract - it's all the little things she's done that prove she has no idea what she's doing.  There shouldn't be a single GM employed by an MLB team that doesn't know her own players (Avisail & Soler), leaves the team down players for crazy long stretches, or just doesn't bother trying to work some trades at the deadline (self-admitted, again).  These just aren't things a person needs 3+ years to be evaluated on - these are things a novice GM should be able to come in and do from day 1.  On a job req listing these bare bones basics would be under "Requirements" not the "Preferred Requirements" category.

 

I won't downvote you or anything because you're respectful of others but daaaaaaaamn man.  I really don't get this "let's keep waiting to see what she can do" when she can't do the basics of her own job? 

4 hours ago, Das Texan said:

This whole idea that Ng would be sacked after 2 years on the job is just weird given she hasnt gotten the chance to make really any hirings of staff under her.  

I have to like this post and it absolutely doesn't mean reset her clock but there is truth to the fact that she has been leading a ship that was built by others first. There's nothing wrong with her getting the chance to really build the front office the way she wants as opposed to her walking in to Jeter's front office. 

"Should" she be fired? Probably. 

But to think she'd really be let go at this point would just be wishful thinking.

What's an average amount of time that a GM gets to run a team? Or better said how many actually get canned after just two years? If the owner truly believes they made the right hire then the GM is a job that warrants enough time to be allowed to ride out all the twists and turns it can bring. 

Again, don't reset the clock and definitely blame her for every failure since she arrived but firing her now wasn't realistic.

The shock value and the urgency would have been nice sure but y'all know Sherman isn't that impulsive. 

4 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

I have to like this post and it absolutely doesn't mean reset her clock but there is truth to the fact that she has been leading a ship that was built by others first. There's nothing wrong with her getting the chance to really build the front office the way she wants as opposed to her walking in to Jeter's front office. 

I have no confidence she (or the team) will have success, but I agree and think that she gets a couple of years to make it work. I also might gain some confidence if she stops saying stupid shit in interviews.

6 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Sherman indicated they’d take another shot at competing in 2023 and weren’t planning to orchestrate another rebuild.

That aligns with recent reports that the club intends to again look for offensive help, perhaps by dangling some of its controllable pitching in trade. Asked by Jackson whether the lackluster early returns on the Soler and García contracts would deter the team from dipping into free agency, Sherman said “no” and indicated they’d “continue to explore all options” to talent acquisition. At the same time, he largely demurred when asked about the payroll, noting only that he “(expects) to continue to invest once again in our Major League payroll in 2023.”

This is positive. I was waiting to hear this. No reason to start over. Reload for 2023, the only issue is getting the right bullets of course and can't blame anyone from doubting that they'll get it right. 

"We fucked up but we'll make changes and try again next year" is all I need to hear for the rest of this shitty season. 

44 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

I have to like this post and it absolutely doesn't mean reset her clock but there is truth to the fact that she has been leading a ship that was built by others first. There's nothing wrong with her getting the chance to really build the front office the way she wants as opposed to her walking in to Jeter's front office. 

Right.  But yet you have people clamoring for her sacking when the real problem anyway is ownership so its a moot point in the end.

 

Also thinking she'd get sacked after 2 years after making basically 0 consequential hires is failing to actually understand how the business of baseball works.   This isnt akin to sacking the bench coach, hitting coach or something like that.  

 

No GM is getting fired after 2 years and making no consequential hires unless they do something horribly wrong outside of baseball. 

No clock is being reset, but no clock expires after 2 years for baseball related reasons only with the same ownership group.

Seriously, get with it. 

Look, if she makes a decent managerial move this offseason and lets the new manager hire their staff, I'll give her a little more time.

If she needs her own staff underneath her, perhaps she should answer Bruce's call and mention that, too.

I know part of it is a running gag now but are some too serious on this clock resetting concept?

She's failed so far but there are many reasons why and there are also multiple ways she can right the ship. She's here and more seasons are coming and all we can hope for is improvement one way or another. 

Forget the clock thing, let's just get there.