4 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Why did this just excite me more than anything the Marlins have done this year 🤣 😔 😢 😭 

Yeah, I'm planning on going.  It'll likely be the only time I step foot in loanDepot Park this year aside from an event I had the other day for work (it was last Thursday when the team was on the road, just happened to be at the park).

 

1 hour ago, SilverBullet said:

Glad there's some clarification, I guess it's respectable that Sherman didn't force him to stay, but it still sends that bad message that Skip wants out.

I wish I could know if it was more about Skip really wanting to stick with Kim or if Skip heard the Bendix plan and wanted nothing to do with it. Kim isn't the only good GM out there so I gotta believe Skip gave Bendix a chance before making this decision so it can't be good.

I guess there's the off chance that it has nothing to do with Bendix and that Skip really just wanted some freedom going into 2025?

Is there any chance Skip is offered a chance to stay? I guess it would probably take a playoff spot in 2024 to even entertain that thought.

Ultimately I don't want this to affect the team knowing they're led by a guy who has his bags already packed. Might be too late to even care about that but for this to become public in April is just the worst.

I got the impression that Skip and Sherman met and made this contractual change before Bendix was hired.

I agree with some earlier comments that this past winter may have been one of the worst for the franchise in terms of disappointment. They make the playoffs, and the response from ownership is to fire the GM, make the head coach a lame duck, and then sign more assistant GMs than actual MLB free agents.

If Bruce Sherman is going to just continue to not care about the on-field product, then I'm not sure why we as fans should care. I have to assume the way that this team is going, we are about to fall into yet another years long rebuild.

3 minutes ago, FutureGM said:

I agree with some earlier comments that this past winter may have been one of the worst for the franchise in terms of disappointment. They make the playoffs, and the response from ownership is to fire the GM, make the head coach a lame duck, and then sign more assistant GMs than actual MLB free agents.

If Bruce Sherman is going to just continue to not care about the on-field product, then I'm not sure why we as fans should care. I have to assume the way that this team is going, we are about to fall into yet another years long rebuild.

Well, Ng didn't want to give up the player development piece and left on her own but yeah it was a shit show offseason and a total slap in the face.

11 hours ago, hovertical said:

Well, Ng didn't want to give up the player development piece and left on her own but yeah it was a shit show offseason and a total slap in the face.

Marlins offseason report:

19 hours ago, hovertical said:

Well, Ng didn't want to give up the player development piece and left on her own but yeah it was a shit show offseason and a total slap in the face.

Would you really want to answer to that fucking egg head with no experience Bendix?  

Let's look at this in real world.

Succeed in your job (make the playoffs is really a success point).  As a reward you are told you are now going to answer to some unqualified egg head with no experience if you want to continue working around here.

 

What option are you taking?  Suck it up?  or get the fuck out?

2 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Would you really want to answer to that fucking egg head with no experience Bendix?  

Let's look at this in real world.

Succeed in your job (make the playoffs is really a success point).  As a reward you are told you are now going to answer to some unqualified egg head with no experience if you want to continue working around here.

 

What option are you taking?  Suck it up?  or get the fuck out?

Depends, have I failed miserably at crucial aspects of my job and those are the responsibilities being taken away from me?  I may not stick around due to my success at other aspects giving me options but I would certainly understand the organization wanting to fix the areas I was severely deficient in.

2 minutes ago, DTrainSTA said:

Depends, have I failed miserably at crucial aspects of my job and those are the responsibilities being taken away from me?  I may not stick around due to my success at other aspects giving me options but I would certainly understand the organization wanting to fix the areas I was severely deficient in.

what can you honestly judge my deficienes upon?  you only gave me the opporunity to actually make these decisions less than 2 years ago.   The lack of upper level minor league organizational talent is a product of Gary Denbo and Derek Jeter who had final say on who was drafted.  

I love how Ng's clock took 3 years to start but Bendix had his start day 1 and he is already a failure.

8 minutes ago, Admin said:

I love how Ng's clock took 3 years to start but Bendix had his start day 1 and he is already a failure.

It really is amusing. 

Ng showed zero improvement in roster management her entire time here and was generally horrible with the routine day to day GM stuff. Nobody has any idea how much or little input she had on drafts really either but the fact ol' cheapass Sherman was willing to hire more people to take over that part and leave her to just make trades and manage the roster makes me believe she had more input than we thought.

And then she couldn't handle her own failures and walked and NOBODY else hired her LOL.

But hey, I guess none of that fits the contrarian narrative. 🤷‍♂️

12 minutes ago, hovertical said:

It really is amusing. 

Ng showed zero improvement in roster management her entire time here and was generally horrible with the routine day to day GM stuff. Nobody has any idea how much or little input she had on drafts really either but the fact ol' cheapass Sherman was willing to hire more people to take over that part and leave her to just make trades and manage the roster makes me believe she had more input than we thought.

And then she couldn't handle her own failures and walked and NOBODY else hired her LOL.

But hey, I guess none of that fits the contrarian narrative. 🤷‍♂️

I bet 50 cents she lands a pretty good job next off season. Taking a year off isn’t that abnormal here.

Kim was working her ass off those muts rain out games and while anecdotal she clearly cared and wanted to win.

Bendix is here to fire sale and create spreadsheet baseball on the cheap and get rid of any good players at peak value. Maybe it works out but it won’t be anytime soon 

1 minute ago, pollythewog said:

I bet 50 cents she lands a pretty good job next off season. Taking a year off isn’t that abnormal here.

Kim was working her ass off those muts rain out games and while anecdotal she clearly cared and wanted to win.

Bendix is here to fire sale and create spreadsheet baseball on the cheap and get rid of any good players at peak value. Maybe it works out but it won’t be anytime soon 

It's just insane how nearly everyone disliked her in-season and then magically the teal colored glasses come out and all her faults get overlooked (including the batshit cray ish she said about Avi and Soler while on air) and it's this great tragedy.  She was very good at trades but little else. 

No downvote for you though because I know you're expressing your actual opinion and you're free to have your own beliefs of course.

You also don't have 50 cents left to bet after betting all your houses on winning last night's game. I guess you could sell your cat's pelt though. Might be worth two bits.

23 minutes ago, hovertical said:

It's just insane how nearly everyone disliked her in-season and then magically the teal colored glasses come out and all her faults get overlooked (including the batshit cray ish she said about Avi and Soler while on air) and it's this great tragedy.  She was very good at trades but little else. 

No downvote for you though because I know you're expressing your actual opinion and you're free to have your own beliefs of course.

You also don't have 50 cents left to bet after betting all your houses on winning last night's game. I guess you could sell your cat's pelt though. Might be worth two bits.

I think the fact the every single Bendix move hes made has been terrible - puk SP, no new rhp pen arms, brujan, TA, Avi Garcia,  the catcher situation, no SP depth, trading berti -  has certainly helped with the teal color glasses with Ng.  Father dix is basically 0-8 with his moves so far which coming off a playoff year makes it that much worse. It was also clear his mandate has always been to fire sale lizard, arraez etc which makes it tough to be a fan.

Ng sign segura and cueto both huge flops but she did a heck of a job at trade deadline. Robertson trade was universally liked for us but he flopped.

i did think Ng had a very strong 2023 draft but we will see!

 

And honestly being at those muts games in August really did make me kinda love Ng. 

Edited April 10, 20242 yr by pollythewog

19 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

I think the fact the every single Bendix move hes made has been terrible - puk SP, no new rhp pen arms, brujan, TA, Avi Garcia,  the catcher situation, no SP depth, trading berti -  has certainly helped with the teal color glasses with Ng.  Father dix is basically 0-8 with his moves so far which coming off a playoff year makes it that much worse. It was also clear his mandate has always been to fire sale lizard, arraez etc which makes it tough to be a fan.

Ng sign segura and cueto both huge flops but she did a heck of a job at trade deadline. Robertson trade was universally liked for us but he flopped.

i did think Ng had a very strong 2023 draft but we will see!

 

And honestly being at those muts games in August really did make me kinda love Ng. 

Also, please note I wasn't defending anything Bendix has done so far either - im just saying some folks forget her many faults that we all complained about vociferously for the last few seasons. 

Also, yeah, Bendix has been shit so far but it's also still very early. I'm also very sure Bruce is mostly to blame in regard to stupid shit like keeping Avi on the roster and not signing a single noteworthy UFA. 

1 hour ago, hovertical said:

It's just insane how nearly everyone disliked her in-season and then magically the teal colored glasses come out and all her faults get overlooked (including the batshit cray ish she said about Avi and Soler while on air) and it's this great tragedy.  She was very good at trades but little else. 

No downvote for you though because I know you're expressing your actual opinion and you're free to have your own beliefs of course.

You also don't have 50 cents left to bet after betting all your houses on winning last night's game. I guess you could sell your cat's pelt though. Might be worth two bits.

Kim Ng was a top 1/2 GM in baseball when with the Marlins, the trades she executed speak for themselves.

Turning in Garrett Cooper for Ryan Weathers may end up being another genius move.

 

Sure a few bad trades here and there, but damn did she do a really good job with trades during her tenure.  

The 2022 draft looks to be a failure, that is on Kim, and its EARLY and we can already almost say that!

The 2023 draft though looks like it has promise to it, and that is on her as well.

 

Should she have done more day to day?  Maybe.  But after being able to hire her own manager, I'm sure her and Skip were on a similar page on most decisions from a roster standpoint.

The results speak for themselves.

52 minutes ago, pollythewog said:

I think the fact the every single Bendix move hes made has been terrible - puk SP, no new rhp pen arms, brujan, TA, Avi Garcia,  the catcher situation, no SP depth, trading berti -  has certainly helped with the teal color glasses with Ng.  Father dix is basically 0-8 with his moves so far which coming off a playoff year makes it that much worse. It was also clear his mandate has always been to fire sale lizard, arraez etc which makes it tough to be a fan.

Ng sign segura and cueto both huge flops but she did a heck of a job at trade deadline. Robertson trade was universally liked for us but he flopped.

i did think Ng had a very strong 2023 draft but we will see!

 

And honestly being at those muts games in August really did make me kinda love Ng. 

And the thing with those signings....they were the type of signings Bendix should have been doing.  There is no long term risk with any of those moves.  They failed but so what?  Thats baseball, they didnt cost anything other than money which honesty the Marlins have plenty of , Bruce Sherman would just rather pocket said money. 

31 minutes ago, hovertical said:

Also, please note I wasn't defending anything Bendix has done so far either - im just saying some folks forget her many faults that we all complained about vociferously for the last few seasons. 

Also, yeah, Bendix has been shit so far but it's also still very early. I'm also very sure Bruce is mostly to blame in regard to stupid shit like keeping Avi on the roster and not signing a single noteworthy UFA. 

Per Bruce there was money to spend.  Bendix is just in over his head and doesnt really know how to actually run a baseball organization.  

But ya the Avi thing is on ownership mandating he stay on the roster.

The Marlins made the playoffs in 2 of the last 4 seasons. Before that, they made the playoffs twice in 27 seasons.

That makes this offseason even harder to swallow. (That’s what she said.)

Also, do you think Sherman just thinks he’s a great owner based on the playoff appearances? Lol

36 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Per Bruce there was money to spend.  Bendix is just in over his head and doesnt really know how to actually run a baseball organization.

But but.. he took a course on Sabermetrics at University!

 

😂

 

In Tampa he was the GM working under a POBO for 2 seasons.. quite a big promotion to get hired as POBO for the Marlins. Seems like a slap in the face to Kim who rightfully probably felt she should have got that promotion. I don’t blame her for leaving. And now sort of wish she would have stayed. Marlins were on the right track.. but again I don’t blame her.. if she would have stayed and had to answer to Bendix wouldn’t have made too much of a difference as Bendix gets the final say on moves. Probably would have butted heads quite a bit.. and honestly, while some may diagree, Kim was infinitely more qualified and experienced for the POBO job, having started working in White Sox front office job in 1990 and Bendix was born in 1985. 
 

😂

Edited April 11, 20242 yr by SirFishFan

11 hours ago, Das Texan said:

Kim Ng was a top 1/2 GM in baseball when with the Marlins, the trades she executed speak for themselves.

Turning in Garrett Cooper for Ryan Weathers may end up being another genius move.

 

Sure a few bad trades here and there, but damn did she do a really good job with trades during her tenure.  

The 2022 draft looks to be a failure, that is on Kim, and its EARLY and we can already almost say that!

The 2023 draft though looks like it has promise to it, and that is on her as well.

 

Should she have done more day to day?  Maybe.  But after being able to hire her own manager, I'm sure her and Skip were on a similar page on most decisions from a roster standpoint.

The results speak for themselves.

Top 1/2 GMs?  Come on dude.  This is ridiculous.

 

You can't focus on one single thing she was good at and ignore the rest.

 

The complete failure of the offseason - whether initiated by Bruce or Bendix - makes Ng's tenure look better, at least right now.  As pointed out above, let's not gloss over Ng's failures just because Bendix did nothing.

It's the same argument of Loria vs. Bruce, and wanting Loria back because he'd have spent after a playoff year....we may not have even made the playoffs to begin with.

3 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Top 1/2 GMs?  Come on dude.  This is ridiculous.

 

You can't focus on one single thing she was good at and ignore the rest.

 

The complete failure of the offseason - whether initiated by Bruce or Bendix - makes Ng's tenure look better, at least right now.  As pointed out above, let's not gloss over Ng's failures just because Bendix did nothing.

It's the same argument of Loria vs. Bruce, and wanting Loria back because he'd have spent after a playoff year....we may not have even made the playoffs to begin with.

I think he was trying to say that Kim was in the upper half of baseball GM's, not that she was the best or second best GM. I think that's a fair statement.  I don't think this year would be a playoff year with all the injuries no matter who the GM is, but I have no doubt Kim would have added an arm and another bat.

5 hours ago, rmc523 said:

Top 1/2 GMs?  Come on dude.  This is ridiculous.

 

You can't focus on one single thing she was good at and ignore the rest.

 

The complete failure of the offseason - whether initiated by Bruce or Bendix - makes Ng's tenure look better, at least right now.  As pointed out above, let's not gloss over Ng's failures just because Bendix did nothing.

It's the same argument of Loria vs. Bruce, and wanting Loria back because he'd have spent after a playoff year....we may not have even made the playoffs to begin with.

Name 15 other General Managers active in MLB now (or last year) who have proven they can make shrewd trades (winning them far more than not) and and guide a team on payroll restraints to the playoffs.

 

I'll hang up and listen.

26 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

I'll hang up and listen.

That's not how the mobile version of the site works 

2 hours ago, LordMagnus said:

I think he was trying to say that Kim was in the upper half of baseball GM's, not that she was the best or second best GM. I think that's a fair statement.  I don't think this year would be a playoff year with all the injuries no matter who the GM is, but I have no doubt Kim would have added an arm and another bat.

I mis-read it because it wasn't overly clear - I'd have just written top half, not 1/2.

Sure, injuries would've pushed us back, but I think it's also likely Kim would've made moves to help the team BEFORE the injuries, so that even with the injuries, it wouldn't have been this bad.

Bendix spent all offseason on the FO and personnel, whereas Kim wouldn't have had to do that - she'd just have to pick up the phone when someone finally called.

 

55 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Name 15 other General Managers active in MLB now (or last year) who have proven they can make shrewd trades (winning them far more than not) and and guide a team on payroll restraints to the playoffs.

 

I'll hang up and listen.

I read it as top 1-2, not top half of GMs, which is a far lower bar to surpass.

On 4/8/2024 at 3:28 PM, rmc523 said:

Traded....the manager?  lol

Remember, we traded for Guillen. It's happened.

3 hours ago, rmc523 said:

I mis-read it because it wasn't overly clear - I'd have just written top half, not 1/2.

Sure, injuries would've pushed us back, but I think it's also likely Kim would've made moves to help the team BEFORE the injuries, so that even with the injuries, it wouldn't have been this bad.

Bendix spent all offseason on the FO and personnel, whereas Kim wouldn't have had to do that - she'd just have to pick up the phone when someone finally called.

 

I read it as top 1-2, not top half of GMs, which is a far lower bar to surpass.

she was probably top 10 but i was too lazy and sick yesterday to actually remember half the GMs in baseball let alone all of them to say that with any certanity.

 

Also 1/2 is half?  how is that confusing?  1 to 2 or first and second or top 2 would be the way to interpret that!  

 

come on man!   🤣🤣