This is horrible news and yet another bad look publicly. My first thought was to be furious at the organization but if Skip requested this, it changes things but it's also a bad sign as well as it shows Skip wants to jump ship. Awful. But it also means that if the season keeps tail spinning out of control Skip could easily be fired or resign before being fired like Edwin did. 

14 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

This is horrible news and yet another bad look publicly. My first thought was to be furious at the organization but if Skip requested this, it changes things but it's also a bad sign as well as it shows Skip wants to jump ship. Awful. But it also means that if the season keeps tail spinning out of control Skip could easily be fired or resign before being fired like Edwin did. 

 

MLB had a chance to get it right and get Mas in there as owner for this abused fanbase but nope we got their glory boy in a play pretend exec role and now we're stuck with Bruce for another 10 years at least most likely.

Edited April 8, 20242 yr by hovertical

I feel like im one of the most patient and forgiving fans through the dumbest shit this organization does but it really feels like my breaking point is near. 

It's becoming indefensible.

There's no reason to scorch this all from scratch again. They're making changes just for the sake of making changes. It's horrible. 

When it comes to the Marlins...

 

9 times out of 10 when the Marlins are presented with the right option or the option htat is most embarassing, they seem to choose most embarassing.

Its wild.

38 minutes ago, Admin said:

I like Skip but if he is gone after this year, I see no reason to wait. May as well move onto the next guy ASAP. Waiting just delays getting the new guy acclimated to the roster.

I don't disagree - he's a lame duck at this point.

 

36 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

This is horrible news and yet another bad look publicly. My first thought was to be furious at the organization but if Skip requested this, it changes things but it's also a bad sign as well as it shows Skip wants to jump ship. Awful. But it also means that if the season keeps tail spinning out of control Skip could easily be fired or resign before being fired like Edwin did. 

I don't see him lasting the whole year.  Then again, Bruce would have to pay 2 managers then.

 

19 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

I feel like im one of the most patient and forgiving fans through the dumbest shit this organization does but it really feels like my breaking point is near. 

It's becoming indefensible.

There's no reason to scorch this all from scratch again. They're making changes just for the sake of making changes. It's horrible. 

I agree.  I bought into the rebuild, and believed the promise that spending will come when it was time.  That time has come and passed now.  There will always be an injury and therefore and excuse to kick the can to next year and the year after and the year after.  There was zero reason for payroll to be less than last year after a playoff appearance.

Though the team has plenty of issues, it wasn't a case where a new guy comes in for a rebuild and you expect that so you give him time.  He should've made moves.  It's pathetic.

I'm gradually shifting to more casual following - I'm sure I'll still post and stuff, but I'm not watching every game anymore - actually barely watching.  Part of it is just not having as much time anymore (plus having an SO means less time for sports, etc), but still.  I've said it a few times, but they clearly don't care, why should I care as a fan?

2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

I bought into the rebuild, and believed the promise that spending will come when it was time.  That time has come and passed now.

Yea at this point is just lies and it's indefensible.

2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

I'm gradually shifting to more casual following - I'm sure I'll still post and stuff, but I'm not watching every game anymore - actually barely watching

Same. I just don't care. There's so much in my life going on, I can't bother to care if they don't. It's a travesty that we make the playoffs and then I'm checked out by the next April. 

21 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Yea at this point is just lies and it's indefensible.

Same. I just don't care. There's so much in my life going on, I can't bother to care if they don't. It's a travesty that we make the playoffs and then I'm checked out by the next April. 

I've discussed with a few of you privately - but I do believe this is literally the worst offseason/season combo to date in their history.  Sure, there have been seasons where they (likely) lose more games but at least it was to be expected.  That, combined with doing NOTHING in the offseason after making the postseason in a full 162 game year is indefensible. Whatever dribble comes out of Bendix' mouth is a lie. Whatever Sherman says to a reporter, etc. is a lie.  He has done NOTHING as an owner, absolutely NOTHING.  We've seen him quoted as saying "his wallet is open to anyone Ng and Bendix feel like would make the club better" but unless those two are the biggest idiots on earth (and I don't believe they are) it's a fucking lie.  There's nothing in the wallet except Bruce's debit card to withdraw cash out of this team, his personal ATM.

MLB owners also have nobody but themselves to blame for allowing this clown into their midst. I don't feel bad for any of them whining about revenue sharing because they got what they deserve by not putting up a bigger fight when the sale was being reviewed for approval by MLB. 

But circling back, I do feel like this has been the worst season to date.  Sure, the first season of the new park was a massive letdown but at least that offseason was really fun and we felt like we were fans of a real team (albeit with Met-like results) for a change. And yeah, there were firesale seasons but the talent they got back was actually good typically in the big firesale seasons and not some fringy 28yr old or guy who hasn't played baseball in 2 years, or Bruce's favorite player, CASH CONSIDERATIONS. 

Two weeks into the season and 8 under .500 LOL  with an absolutely putrid bullpen, rotation, and lame duck manager.  Go ahead and sell it to us Daddy Dix. I ain't buying.  And let's not forget about those fonts! 😉

3 minutes ago, hovertical said:

Go ahead and sell it to us Daddy Dix.

That reminds me.

655 warnings remaining.

As a Marlins fan, I have finally learned to stop saying "Well, it can't get any worse".

Sherman/Bendix might end up the most hated owner/GM combo in the team's history, and that is saying something.

1 hour ago, hovertical said:

I've discussed with a few of you privately - but I do believe this is literally the worst offseason/season combo to date in their history.  Sure, there have been seasons where they (likely) lose more games but at least it was to be expected.  That, combined with doing NOTHING in the offseason after making the postseason in a full 162 game year is indefensible. Whatever dribble comes out of Bendix' mouth is a lie. Whatever Sherman says to a reporter, etc. is a lie.  He has done NOTHING as an owner, absolutely NOTHING.  We've seen him quoted as saying "his wallet is open to anyone Ng and Bendix feel like would make the club better" but unless those two are the biggest idiots on earth (and I don't believe they are) it's a fucking lie.  There's nothing in the wallet except Bruce's debit card to withdraw cash out of this team, his personal ATM.

MLB owners also have nobody but themselves to blame for allowing this clown into their midst. I don't feel bad for any of them whining about revenue sharing because they got what they deserve by not putting up a bigger fight when the sale was being reviewed for approval by MLB. 

But circling back, I do feel like this has been the worst season to date.  Sure, the first season of the new park was a massive letdown but at least that offseason was really fun and we felt like we were fans of a real team (albeit with Met-like results) for a change. And yeah, there were firesale seasons but the talent they got back was actually good typically in the big firesale seasons and not some fringy 28yr old or guy who hasn't played baseball in 2 years, or Bruce's favorite player, CASH CONSIDERATIONS. 

Two weeks into the season and 8 under .500 LOL  with an absolutely putrid bullpen, rotation, and lame duck manager.  Go ahead and sell it to us Daddy Dix. I ain't buying.  And let's not forget about those fonts! 😉

 

Yeah, as you said, at least in previous seasons, we knew they'd be bad, so while disappointing, it wasn't a shock.

I just can't fathom how you follow up a playoff appearance by twiddling your thumbs.

They should have left the option in place and just straight up traded him at the deadline.

59 minutes ago, Piazza31 said:

They should have left the option in place and just straight up traded him at the deadline.

Traded....the manager?  lol

12 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Traded....the manager?  lol

Yeah.. while very rare. It has happened in the past.

Although it’s usually not like a straight trade for a manager for another player like during the season. Most of the time it’s a little more nuanced and complex than that.

A famous example was after the 2002 season when Lou Piniella straight up requested to get out of his contract to go manage the Devil Rays when so the Mariners traded the rights to manager Lou Piniella and IF Antonio Perez to the Devil Rays for OF Randy Winn. 😂
 

A lot of the time it works like if a manager of a team still has a year or two left on his contract but he doesn’t want to be the manager of that team anymore he can request to interview with another team and if he gets hired by the new team then that new team will send over some players as compensation since the manager was still under contract with the old team.

Thats actually exactly what happened with Ozzie Guillen after the 2011 season. He technically still had one year remaining on his contract with the White Sox but he wasn’t getting along well with Kenny Williams and he wanted out so he requested to pursue the Marlins manager job and when he got hired by the Marlins, because the White Sox still held the rights to Ozzie Guillen the Marlins sent over Jhan Mariñez and Osvaldo Martinez as compensation and received back Ricardo Andes from the White Sox.

Although it technically wasn’t a trade because the White Sox actually released him right before he signed with the Marlins. Although some people referred to it at the time as Ozzie Guillen traded to the Marlins.

Also something similar happened after the 2012 season when John Farrell was released by the Blue Jays and signed with the Red Sox but they also exchanged some prospects as compensation before releasing him with the specific intent to sign with the Red Sox.

 

So yeah. I don’t think we will ever see like a straight up trade mid season for like Skip Schumaker to the Twins for Pablo Lopez. Because it’s not really possible to quantify how much a manager is worth in value compared to other players. But when it comes to managers rights being traded to another team. It can definitely happen and will usually involve some prospects in the deal. Kind of make sense if your manager really wants out or to interview for a specific team. Might as well get SOMETHING back in return instead of just release him on a guaranteed contract.

14 minutes ago, SirFishFan said:

Yeah.. while very rare. It has happened in the past.

Although it’s usually not like a straight trade for a manager for another player like during the season. Most of the time it’s a little more nuanced and complex than that.

A famous example was after the 2002 season when Lou Piniella straight up requested to get out of his contract to go manage the Devil Rays when so the Mariners traded the rights to manager Lou Piniella and IF Antonio Perez to the Devil Rays for OF Randy Winn. 😂
 

A lot of the time it works like if a manager of a team still has a year or two left on his contract but he doesn’t want to be the manager of that team anymore he can request to interview with another team and if he gets hired by the new team then that new team will send over some players as compensation since the manager was still under contract with the old team.

Thats actually exactly what happened with Ozzie Guillen after the 2011 season. He technically still had one year remaining on his contract with the White Sox but he wasn’t getting along well with Kenny Williams and he wanted out so he requested to pursue the Marlins manager job and when he got hired by the Marlins, because the White Sox still held the rights to Ozzie Guillen the Marlins sent over Jhan Mariñez and Osvaldo Martinez as compensation and received back Ricardo Andes from the White Sox.

Although it technically wasn’t a trade because the White Sox actually released him right before he signed with the Marlins. Although some people referred to it at the time as Ozzie Guillen traded to the Marlins.

Also something similar happened after the 2012 season when John Farrell was released by the Blue Jays and signed with the Red Sox but they also exchanged some prospects as compensation before releasing him with the specific intent to sign with the Red Sox.

 

So yeah. I don’t think we will ever see like a straight up trade mid season for like Skip Schumaker to the Twins for Pablo Lopez. Because it’s not really possible to quantify how much a manager is worth in value compared to other players. But when it comes to managers rights being traded to another team. It can definitely happen and will usually involve some prospects in the deal. Kind of make sense if your manager really wants out or to interview for a specific team. Might as well get SOMETHING back in return instead of just release him on a guaranteed contract.

Yeah, I'm aware of some of those situations.  Just doesn't really happen IN season much.

lol the circus continues 

Thus far, I really don’t like Bendix. Jury is still out but making moves to say “I’m bringing in my people” and getting rid of quality for no reason rarely works out well. 

Edited April 8, 20242 yr by canada-marlin24

Oh but look out everyone we got Vidal Brujan and Burch Smith!!!

I think there needs to be a fan mutiny against Sherman.

I fucking hate owners like him that have no fucking business owning a team. 

Edited April 8, 20242 yr by canada-marlin24

2 minutes ago, canada-marlin24 said:

Thus far, I really don’t like Bendix. Judy is still out but making moves to say “I’m bringing in my people” and getting rid of quality for no reason rarely works out well. 

Who the fuck is Judy? Did he hire another assistant?

10 minutes ago, canada-marlin24 said:

I fucking hate owners like him that have no fucking business owning a team. 

If they are an owner, then they by definition have a business, so I’m not sure about this “no fucking business” thing.

5 minutes ago, mystikol87 said:

If they are an owner, then they by definition have a business, so I’m not sure about this “no fucking business” thing.

Especially considering how much they've fucked us since 2018.

Big fucking business they got.

18 minutes ago, canada-marlin24 said:

Oh but look out everyone we for Vidal Brujan and Burch Smith!!!

I think there needs to be a fan mutiny against Sherman.

Actually when you put it like this it's way less about Bruce and about Bendix not finding the right guys because Bruce probably had no clue who Brujan and Smith were. Kim worked under Bruce and still built a playoff team. There's probably a bunch of shit owners in MLB who have good GMs under them who can still bring success to a team. 

I can’t believe we got fucked out of having the Mas brothers as owners. All for Derek Jeter who continued to be the pompous fuck he’s always been and all of a sudden he’s Mr. CEO ready to lead a team both on the field and on the business side. 

7 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Actually when you put it like this it's way less about Bruce and about Bendix not finding the right guys because Bruce probably had no clue who Brujan and Smith were. Kim worked under Bruce and still built a playoff team. There's probably a bunch of shit owners in MLB who have good GMs under them who can still bring success to a team. 

Perhaps - but I get the feeling that Bendix things he’s so fucking smart that he’s just going to replicate the Rays model. Not going to work. 

And since he's Derek Jeter he still doesn't and never will get enough backlash for fucking up over here. Obviously doesn't help that it was "just the Marlins" who he screwed up.

Imagine if Jeter took over the Red Sox and ruined them lol.

13 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

I feel like im one of the most patient and forgiving fans through the dumbest shit this organization does but it really feels like my breaking point is near. 

It's becoming indefensible.

There's no reason to scorch this all from scratch again. They're making changes just for the sake of making changes. It's horrible. 

I tried to be objective in the 2012 and 2017 fire sales cause I agreed that they were poorly built rosters and needed major change. But after the team got sold we were supposed to FINALLY have REAL ownership with the resources to sign REAL players and lockup homegrown talent and start to be a genuine franchise….still waiting on that.

Then when the short 2020 season and the lockdowns in 2021 came I just completely fell out of love with MLB (not baseball as a sport) because I became used to it not being around, and realized its just a dirty grimey business run by essentially a mafia of rich pieces of shit. When the millionaires wanted more from the billionaires they just shut it all down at will and told us to go fuck ourselves. Well…FUCK THEM!

But given the fact that this team snuck into a playoff spot and they did NOTHING to improve the obvious gaping holes in the roster, I pulled every ounce of my support cause they don’t deserve it. So today I’m past that anger and am in possibly a “worse” place which is approaching complete and utter apathy. I find myself more interested in going to Savannah to see a bananas game than continuing my former trek to catch a game at every MLB stadium. I’m just over it 🤷🏻‍♂️

Edited April 9, 20242 yr by marlinsmaniac