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Any love for Lance Nix??? :mischief2

Jason Werth... Does anyone have a scouting report on Navarro? I thought he was more highly regarded than others on this board. It would be a big plus if he brought his wife along. :whistle

I dont want to have anything to do with Huizenga, especially considering how much he has raped and pillaged this franchise since he sold them. Ya but it gets the marlins a stadium and they get to stay here then who cares who we deal with. Plus it would be really cool to have all those places right around the stadium. I agree 100%...get it done Wayne! :thumbup

I dont know if much has been said about his shoulder injury on this board. If the Red Sox were still hesitant to take on Josh Beckett that they made us give them Guillermo Mota as well, do you think there might be something more serious on the horizon for Josh? I mean, as long as he has enough Stan's Blister Cream? he should be fine, but all this talk about his shoulder has to make you think a little bit. Hmmm...I'm thinking Beinfest has made a very shrewd deal. :mischief2

Wow...Jacobs must have some great range!

I'd include Jeff Allison on your list as well.

Welcome back. Glad to see you were able to crawl out of your hole. :thumbdown

I keep thinking the JP for Aaron Rowand thing might happen, here's Rowand's contract breakdown He made $2 million in 2005, gets $3.25 million in 2006. Chicago had a club option for 2007 at $5 million and Rowand holds a player option for 2007 at $3.25 million. Would we rather have Rowand or one of the younger Sox CF prospects - Anderson or Young??? :mischief2

Assuming we move JP which CF prospects make sense for the Fish? I've heard the Rowand rumors but would we be better off with one of the Sox younger prospects Anderson or Young? Are they MLB ready? How about Bubba Crosby? Any Cub, Dodger or Angel prospects look good? :mischief2

Petit is way better than Johnson, it's not really close. Same goes for Anibal Sanchez. Thanks FF...finally someone who understands what's going on!!!

Moving Delgado takes us down to around $41M, depending upon how much of the $7M is due this year. That includes $4M for a closer (Jones?). I would hope the team is about where it needs to be and will now hang on to Pierre, LoDuca and Castillo.....but again that totally depends on what value we can get in return. We've lost a lot for 2006, but the future is bright. I say we dump that one-armed weakling in the outfield asap. He and Lowell cost us the playoffs last year. I hope we can hold on to the Duke unless we get a tremendous offer for him. I like the veteran leadership that Luis, Conine and LoDuca will provide. :thumbup

Willy will definitely be starting and Petit is a starter all the way!

o well what's done is done here's stats on both Mike Jacobs in 30 games 100AB .310BA .375OBP .710SLG19R 31H 11HR 23RBI Y.Petit in 21(2CG) 9-3 2.91ERA 117IN 90H 38ER 15HR 18BB 130K I like the KtoBB ratio Thanks for the stats...gotta love Jacobs HR ratio and Petit's BB/K #'s - impressive. Give Beinfest a little credit...I don't think he would just give Delgado away for two mediocre prospects. Obviously they are high on both Petit and Jacobs. They wouldn't have traded him within the division if they weren't. Give this deal a couple of years before we evaluate it...remember when we traded Leiter to the Mets for a young pitcher? he turned out pretty well for the Fish. :thumbup

We've built it up and stripped it down twice before...let's do it again. Let's move JP, pick up some mid-level free agents & solidify our bullpen. Oakland A's of the East! Castillo - 2B Willy - LF Hermida - RF Cabs - 3B Jacobs/Conine - 1B Duca - C Aguila - CF Han Ram - SS Willis Petit Vargas Olsen Johnson

Well done Beinfest... This team is really shaping up. I can't wait for Spring Training... Who's next JP? Duca? :thumbup

I think we need Jacobs in the deal if we move Delgado within the division. He would be a nice lefty bat to plug into Carlos' spot at first and in the lineup. Is Petit ready to move right into the starting rotation? :mischief2

I have to run but what really happened here, and if you actually listen to the press conference, you'll know Samson was talking to Manny Diaz and his stooge, Joe Ariolla, who have done everything in their power to force Jeffrey Loria to sell the Marlins to one of their "friends". That's why you heard Samson say, (paraphrasing) "...this is Jeffrey Loria's team. He IS the local owner...Jeffrey is not selling the Marlins..." because the mafia in Miami has tried to screw him every which way but loose. Great post...there is obviously more here than meets the eye. It seems as if the deck is really stacked against Loria...on a number of different levels.

His post might be a bit convoluted...but his premise is correct. The demise of the Marlins is directly a result of all the so-called Floridians who support other teams. For every Marlin fan I know I know two others who support the Yankees, Braves, Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Cubs, etc., etc. It really is a shame. I know a number of die-hard Dolphins fans who could care less about the Marlins. pathetic... :banghead And that's exactly why there is no stadium in South Fla. and probably never will be. :blink: Amen! Not to mention we are the only major market with two basketball/hockey arenas. Huizenga & Arison certainly didn't do the marlins any favors.

Another Dirtbag? Wonder if he knows JV??? :thumbup

Marlins' Beckett, Lowell going to Boston By Juan C. Rodriguez Staff Writer Posted November 22 2005 The Florida Marlins are set to rid themselves of third baseman Mike Lowell, but they'll lose a World Series hero in the process. Pending player physicals, the Marlins and Red Sox Monday consummated a five-player deal that will send Lowell -- and the remaining $18 million of his contract -- and right-hander Josh Beckett to Boston. In return, the Marlins will receive two of the Red Sox's top four prospects in shortstop Hanley Ramirez and right-hander Anibal Sanchez. The Red Sox also added a third player, Class-A right-hander Jesus Delgado. Though the Marlins lopped off roughly $13 million from next season's payroll, they're not done trimming. The market for first baseman Carlos Delgado has started simmering. Delgado, who is owned $48 million over the final three years of the deal he signed last offseason, likely is the next departure. "[The Marlins] have some teams ready to go on him," said a National League front office man that has spoken with the Marlins, adding they already have some offers on the table. In addition to the Mets and Orioles, both the Los Angeles Angels and Dodgers are believed to be in the mix. Dumping Delgado's entire contract, which calls for a $13.5 million outlay next season, doesn't guarantee the Marlins will keep some of their higher priced talent. That group includes Luis Castillo, Juan Pierre and Paul Lo Duca, who combined will make approximately $17.25 million in 2006. The Marlins aren't telling teams any of those guys are off limits and indications are all could be dealt. "Next year I think they're going to go with a nucleus of three or four guys, lower-end salary guys, and kind of start from scratch," said one American League executive. "Last year at least they tried to put a good team together, which I thought they did. This year they're just dumping payroll. Their entire infield is up for grabs for sure." Monday afternoon the Marlins informed the Rangers they were no longer in the Beckett sweepstakes. The Rangers, who were dangling two-time All-Star Hank Blalock and one of two minor league pitchers who were former first-round draft picks, the Marlins had off-field concerns about Blalock. The piece they had to have from Boston was Ramirez. The two sides began discussing a possible deal during the general managers' meetings. A major-league ready shortstop, Ramirez would have been rated the organization's third-best prospect by Baseball America. He fills an immediate need for the Marlins, who will lose Alex Gonzalez to free agency and have determined Robert Andino isn't ready to for the big-league job. The free agent signing of former Marlin Edgar Renteria to a four-year, $40 million contract last offseason all but blocked Ramirez's path to Fenway. In Ramirez, the Marlins hope to have a more athletic version of Renteria in the making. A 6-3, 195-pound product of Samana, Dominican Republic, Ramirez is a spectacular defensive shortstop with outstanding range. Offensively, he drives the ball to all fields and projects to be a .300 hitter with plenty of speed. Last season he hit .271 with six homers and 52 RBI in 122 games for Double-A Portland. He made his major-league debut in September, appearing in two games and going hitless in two at-bats. Ramirez, who turns 22 next month, was named the Red Sox's top prospect in both 2004 and 2005 by Baseball America. The Marlins accepted Sanchez instead of left-hander Jon Lester, who the Red Sox balked at trading. The Red Sox would neither discuss Craig Hansen, who the Marlins talked about drafting and promoting straight to the majors from St. John's last June. Because Hansen would not have been trade?eligible until a year after his July signing date. Operating without a general manager, the Red Sox appeased the Marlins adding a third player in Jesus Delgado. The Marlins dealt mostly with special assistant Bill Lajoie and player development director Jed Hoyer. The 6-0, 180-pound Sanchez and Delgado both are products of Maracay, Venezuela as is Miguel Cabrera, who next season will replace Lowell as the Marlins' full-time third baseman. A Tommy John surgery survivor, Sanchez missed all of the 2003 season recovering. He returned in 2004 and was tabbed the Pitch of the Year at short-season Class A Lowell, where he went 3-4 with a 1.77 ERA, 29 walks and a league-best 101 strikeouts in 15 starts (76 1/3 innings). He split last season between Class A Wilmington and Portland, going a combined 9-6 with 40 walks, 158 strikeouts, and a 2.85 ERA in 136 innings. Like Sanchez, Delgado also underwent Tommy John surgery and missed all of the 2002 and '03 seasons as a result. After spotty results in 2004, Delgado put together better numbers last season, striking out 69 in a combined 72 innings for Class A Greenville. The second overall pick in the 1999 draft, Beckett has been a regular on the disabled list the last three seasons. When healthy, he is considered among the game's elite pitchers. A product of Coral Gables High School and Florida International University, Lowell was acquired from the Yankees in 1999. He became of the team's most consistent run producers before going into an inexplicable season-and-a-half long tailspin. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/basebal...-sports-marlins here's hoping for the Dodgers offer I'm intrigued by what the Angels could offer for Delgado...they have nice young prospects...McPherson, Morales, etc.

His post might be a bit convoluted...but his premise is correct. The demise of the Marlins is directly a result of all the so-called Floridians who support other teams. For every Marlin fan I know I know two others who support the Yankees, Braves, Red Sox, Mets, Phillies, Cubs, etc., etc. It really is a shame. I know a number of die-hard Dolphins fans who could care less about the Marlins. pathetic... :banghead

How is HanRam on defense??? Will Perry Hill make him a Gold Glove winner? :mischief2

Will Ramirez start at SS for us next season? Hell yes... :thumbup

an owner to be named later Hey now...Loria may not be the best owner in MLB... but there's no one worse than Angelos... even the Oriole fans despise him. :thumbdown

Then there's the money owed Pudge, Leiter and Valdez. $$$ for another FA starter, probably $8-10 million for relievers...the list goes on. At least Hampton's $ is off the books! Are the Muts still paying Mo Vaughn? :whistle