Wow lol. We better either sign him now or trade him now. We'll bang our heads against the wall if we let this pass up and lose JJ before 2012.

 

 

From the Top 50 Prospect: 2009 Trade Deadline list (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090731&content_id=6161780&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb)

1 Jason Heyward

2 Madison Bumgarner

3 Mike Stanton

4 Justin Smoak

5 Buster Posey

6 Neftali Feliz

7 Chris Tillman

8 Brian Matusz

9 Jarrod Parker

10 Tim Beckham

 

 

I know they aren't proven in the ML level, but damn... That would set us up for 2012.

 

 

Since we are talking possibilities do not forget Bumgarner might be part of a trade for Uggla.

Efforts to reach a multi-year contract with Josh Johnson may have broken down a few weeks ago, but don't rule out the Marlins trying to re-open negotiations.

 

Retaining Johnson for the long-term is an objective the Marlins would like to achieve.

 

One of the top right-handers in the National League, Johnson will turn 26 in January.

 

He comes off a 15-5 season with a 3.23 ERA.

 

The 6-foot-7, 250-pounder was selected to the All-Star Game for the first time. The Marlins are open to working out a multi-year contract that would cover at least one year of potential free agency for the right-hander.

 

Johnson, who made $1.4 million in his first year of arbitration, could make around $4.2 million in 2010. He has two more seasons of arbitration before reaching free agency after 2011.

 

It's also possible that even if Johnson signs a one-year deal for 2010 that the team would be open to work out an extension.

 

While there has been trade speculation regarding Johnson, the Marlins are determined not to trade their ace.

 

Johnson and Ricky Nolasco, also the subject of trade speculation, are locks to be at the front of Florida's rotation in 2010. Florida has no intention to move either one.

 

Nolasco, also in his second season of arbitration, is projected to make close to $4 million.

 

-- Joe Frisaro

I'm hoping they know they are going to get that JJ extension signed because if we don't, this is really going to look stupid. Man, if we could pry Bum away from the Giants, I'd feel good about those moves.

To be honest, I would rather sign up JJ long-term than trade him, even if it is for 2 top prospects. My reasoning? The doubt in my mind that still lingers around the Maybin-Miller deal. While I still am confident they will succeed, that has now been 2 seasons and there has been very little contribution from them, and they were both top prospects aswell. If we have the resources to keep JJ then we better goddamn do it.

 

 

This. Will we end up getting fed another "rebuilding for the future" b.s. line, all the while trading away our only consistent pitcher from last year? I mean, I like seeing Burke Badenboop as much as the next girl, but not in the fourth inning of every other game.

To be honest, I would rather sign up JJ long-term than trade him, even if it is for 2 top prospects. My reasoning? The doubt in my mind that still lingers around the Maybin-Miller deal. While I still am confident they will succeed, that has now been 2 seasons and there has been very little contribution from them, and they were both top prospects aswell. If we have the resources to keep JJ then we better goddamn do it.

 

 

This. Will we end up getting fed another "rebuilding for the future" b.s. line, all the while trading away our only consistent pitcher from last year? I mean, I like seeing Burke Badenboop as much as the next girl, but not in the fourth inning of every other game.

 

Sorry, but this is the way the Marlins operate. They simply HAVE to get maximum value for their players that they potentially cannot afford. Signing pitchers long term...no matter how good they are...is usually a risky move.

To be honest, I would rather sign up JJ long-term than trade him, even if it is for 2 top prospects. My reasoning? The doubt in my mind that still lingers around the Maybin-Miller deal. While I still am confident they will succeed, that has now been 2 seasons and there has been very little contribution from them, and they were both top prospects aswell. If we have the resources to keep JJ then we better goddamn do it.

 

 

This. Will we end up getting fed another "rebuilding for the future" b.s. line, all the while trading away our only consistent pitcher from last year? I mean, I like seeing Burke Badenboop as much as the next girl, but not in the fourth inning of every other game.

 

Sorry, but this is the way the Marlins operate. They simply HAVE to get maximum value for their players that they potentially cannot afford. Signing pitchers long term...no matter how good they are...is usually a risky move.

 

I agree. Signing pitchers long term is very risky. Especially a player having a major injury just a season ago. I would LOVE to have JJ but if they don't want to sign him for what he wants....make the deal. At least we will have a better chances of keeping those players later since we'll be in the new stadium generating more revenue (we'll see if that changes the payroll).

I still don't believe Beinfest would flat out say "no" to this offer.

Rangers rebuffed in bid for Marlins’ Johnson; Feliz, Smoak dangled

SportingNews staff reports

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ESPN Dallas and the Rangers’ Web site report Texas offered right-hander Neftali Feliz(notes) and first base prospect Justin Smoak to the Florida Marlins for ace right-hander Josh Johnson(notes) at the winter meetings. The Marlins told the Rangers they weren’t interested.

 

The Marlins’ Web site reports the club considers Johnson to be a bargain at about $4.2 million next season and that it is intent on locking up Johnson, 25, long term. He can become a free agent after the 2011 season. Earlier talks broke down over length and dollars.

 

Feliz, 21, is one of the top young power pitchers in baseball. Smoak, 23, was the Rangers’ first-round draft pick in 2008 out of South Carolina.

no doubt these are two prospects with great potential... but what do we do with our staff for next year?

imo we cant do this trade because as rich as we are in pitching doesn't it seem like JJ is the only true "number one" guy?

The thing is though that with JJ, we have a shot to make the playoffs next season. With these prospects, you never know.

Either the front office is extremely confident that a long term deal is going to get done this offseason or something, that is a hell of a package to pass up on.

It may be possible that the package being offered isn't as highly thought by the Marlins Fo as it is here. When you look at Feliz, you're looking at a guy that some are projecting as a reliever, albeit a very good one. And Smoak is interesting but simply may not be what the Marlins are looking for. Some here say make that trade then deal Morrison, but its entirely possible that they like Morrison a whole lot better.

 

I remember during the 2005 firesale a lot of posters were disappointed we didn't get Lastings Milledge in our series of deals with the Mets. Reports were that he was offered but we weren't interested, which was suprising considering our need for outfielders but the organization clearly didn't think he worth what his trade value was. Although some of the players we got in those deals turned out to be disappointments, Milledge certainly hasn't lived up to billing either and I think most would agree that its probably best we didn't make him a trade centerpiece. For all his struggles, I'd take Maybin over him.

EDIT: I should mention Alex that you should never trust a word that comes out of Loria's mouth, and I mean never.

 

 

Never were words written on this board that had more truth than this.......

Someone needs to make a post about all (read any) of the things Loria has lied about.

If the Marlins knew they couldn't sign Johnson, I think they should have tried to make the deal.

 

The Marlins are fringe contenders in 2010, even with Johnson. Those prospects are pretty hard to pass up if the Marlins know Johnson walks in two years.

It may be possible that the package being offered isn't as highly thought by the Marlins Fo as it is here. When you look at Feliz, you're looking at a guy that some are projecting as a reliever, albeit a very good one. And Smoak is interesting but simply may not be what the Marlins are looking for. Some here say make that trade then deal Morrison, but its entirely possible that they like Morrison a whole lot better.

 

I remember during the 2005 firesale a lot of posters were disappointed we didn't get Lastings Milledge in our series of deals with the Mets. Reports were that he was offered but we weren't interested, which was suprising considering our need for outfielders but the organization clearly didn't think he worth what his trade value was. Although some of the players we got in those deals turned out to be disappointments, Milledge certainly hasn't lived up to billing either and I think most would agree that its probably best we didn't make him a trade centerpiece. For all his struggles, I'd take Maybin over him.

 

 

As far as I have read Feliz projects as a 1 or 2 starter but who knows

Someone needs to make a post about all (read any) of the things Loria has lied about.

 

 

Second that request.

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!!! DO IT !!!! GRRRRRR!

The best reason why this doesn't happen is the Marlins are signaling they are attempting to contend this upcoming season and are not in firesale mode. If they were thinking about 2012 and not the present you'd most probably make this deal.

 

Personally I'm not looking forward to 2006 all over again so to me this is a good thing. I understand fully why others see it differently.

umm, do it. Pray they throw in another SP prospect though.

I understand why The marlins prefer to sign JJ lomgterm but if that is the case, they really need to pullout all the stops and just do it. If not then you have to accept the trade there are no in betweens

I understand why The marlins prefer to sign JJ lomgterm but if that is the case, they really need to pullout all the stops and just do it. If not then you have to accept the trade there are no in betweens

 

 

But it's not like this trade offer has to disappear between now and April. If they can't get an extension done, I would absolutely want to see them negotiate starting from this offer. That could actually be a quality haul for JJ.

Truthfully, I'm not very optimistic about the Marlins' chances to compete in 2010 (and maybe 2011) so I would want this deal to be done. I'm praying for a powerhouse team in 2012 though, when I plan to get season tickets and be at every home game.

Truthfully, I'm not very optimistic about the Marlins' chances to compete in 2010 (and maybe 2011) so I would want this deal to be done. I'm praying for a powerhouse team in 2012 though, when I plan to get season tickets and be at every home game.

 

That's my feeling as well. Their competitiveness in 2010 will depend entirely on West, Volstad, and Miller collectively picking it up. I'm not too optimistic. It won't be impossible, but it's certainly going to be a stretch with the Phillies likely only getting stronger.

 

Best case scenario would be signing Johnson to a multi-year deal, but if given the choice between keeping him for 2010 only to have him walk after 2011, I would much rather take some awesome prospects and arrange the pieces for 2012 when the Marlins should have Ramirez, Stanton, Morrison, Coghlan, Maybin, etc. all in place.

Yea, but you don't want to piss off Hanley in the process by selling everyone and playing for the stadium. We need to compete for Hanley's sake.