This team should not have had that horrible April or June. They should have been competitive. Outside of Stanton's monster month of May when he single handily dragged them back to the Wild Card race the team was horrible before the cut bait.

 

I applaud blowing up the blue print and starting from scratch, but they need to use the free money NOW and reinvest it in the on field product. The 2013 team should be composed of veterans and holding the positions until these guys can develop.

 

Players like Juan Pierre, Carlos Lee, Manny Ramitez, and Kouzmanoff should be given chances to perform one last time. Soria and Madsden should be signed to 3 year deals and let them get healthy for mid 2013 and 2014.

 

They absolutely should not throw so many rookies out there at once. Hechecaria, Escobar and Alvarez- fine.

 

Sign two on their last leg SP looking for jobs and plug them in the rotation- the Zito and Webb/Bondermans.

Funny how the marlins didnt want to get rid of Reyes....but they did.

 

And Toronto insisted on us taking the cancer in Escobar.....and we took him.

 

 

Yea, I would have rather kept Bonifacio and let them keep Escobar. That seems to make a lot more sense considering one of the two SS we got will end up playing 2B or 3B anyway.

 

Escobar's the better player, for what it's worth.

 

Escobar has had the better career, but I think at this point Boni has more value. Offensively Escobar has more power but that's about it. Boni has game changing speed, and continues to get better at the plate every single year. Defensively their probably equals, but at least Boni is a natural 2B.

 

Honestly, the arguement could easily be made for one over the other. I just prefer Boni, personally.

 

I just feel like last year was an aberration for Escobar. His #'s went down, but his peripherals stayed the same.

Career .282/.353/.390 and .290/.369/.413 as recently as 2011. + he has SS range and has always graded as a + fielder. He is, by far, the best defensive 3B we're going to have since...well, it's been awhile.

 

Bonifacio looks like a one-year aberration at this point. I don't even think he'll start in Toronto; he's probably going back to his utility role.

This team should not have had that horrible April or June. They should have been competitive. Outside of Stanton's monster month of May when he single handily dragged them back to the Wild Card race the team was horrible before the cut bait.

 

I applaud blowing up the blue print and starting from scratch, but they need to use the free money NOW and reinvest it in the on field product. The 2013 team should be composed of veterans and holding the positions until these guys can develop.

 

Players like Juan Pierre, Carlos Lee, Manny Ramitez, and Kouzmanoff should be given chances to perform one last time. Soria and Madsden should be signed to 3 year deals and let them get healthy for mid 2013 and 2014.

 

They absolutely should not throw so many rookies out there at once. Hechecaria, Escobar and Alvarez- fine.

 

Sign two on their last leg SP looking for jobs and plug them in the rotation- the Zito and Webb/Bondermans.

 

 

At this point, they should do the exact opposite of that.

Funny how the marlins didnt want to get rid of Reyes....but they did.

 

And Toronto insisted on us taking the cancer in Escobar.....and we took him.

 

 

Yea, I would have rather kept Bonifacio and let them keep Escobar. That seems to make a lot more sense considering one of the two SS we got will end up playing 2B or 3B anyway.

 

Escobar's the better player, for what it's worth.

 

Escobar has had the better career, but I think at this point Boni has more value. Offensively Escobar has more power but that's about it. Boni has game changing speed, and continues to get better at the plate every single year. Defensively their probably equals, but at least Boni is a natural 2B.

 

Honestly, the arguement could easily be made for one over the other. I just prefer Boni, personally.

 

I just feel like last year was an aberration for Escobar. His #'s went down, but his peripherals stayed the same.

Career .282/.353/.390 and .290/.369/.413 as recently as 2011. + he has SS range and has always graded as a + fielder. He is, by far, the best defensive 3B we're going to have since...well, it's been awhile.

 

Bonifacio looks like a one-year aberration at this point. I don't even think he'll start in Toronto; he's probably going back to his utility role.

 

I hope you're right, that is if Escobar even stays here. But we may need Bonifacio's versatility more now than ever before considering the flipity flopity starting nine we'll probably field in 2013. It would have been nice to have someone be able to plug in all over the diamond every night if needed and actually perform while doing it.

 

Anybody have Alfredo Amezega's phone number?

1000th post.

 

Edit: Damn it.

1002nd post.

 

 

f*** this sh*t.

1001st post feels left out.

What's the biggest post of all time? Also, Admin should create a Hall of Fame section with the largest, most epic posts ever

What's the biggest post of all time? Also, Admin should create a Hall of Fame section with the largest, most epic posts ever

 

http://forums.marlin...1-hall-of-fame/

 

edit: wait, was that sarcastic?

I have a serious question. Is the public mad because we are going to predictably be a worse team next year? Or because the payroll went down?

 

I've read too many articles from non-baseball fans/general media saying this is bad because the team's payroll was promised to be higher in the new ballpark. I myself don't care how much the payroll is, I care that we have a consistently contending competitive ballclub.

 

Bob Nightengale posted this... "He has lowered his payroll from $118 million to about $30 million in salary commitments in 2013, meaning he should pocket about $110 million in profits next year, thanks to that fancy ballpark."

 

My response was, well so what if payroll is lowered? If this new team turns out to be a ten-fifteen game improvement over the 2012 team, yet has a drastically lower payroll, who cares? I mean, shouldn't Loria be looking for a profit? At the end of the day, he's still a business owner, sleazeball or not. His goal will never be to spend excessive money and lose profits just to please the fanbase and media.

 

Am I making any sense? I just feel like the local media is misunderstanding what we as actual Marlins fans are upset about.

 

Put it this way, if we do in 2013 what the A's did in 2012, would the media still be upset because our payroll is low and Loria profits from a successful team?

 

 

Even the A's had a payroll double what it will be be after this trade.

 

The specific number of the payroll doesn't matter, my question was just "does the media care about the payroll being high or the team being a winner?"

 

My A's analogy was that they went into 2012 with a low payroll, if we do the same in 2013 will the media be pissed or will they look at the onfield product?

What's the biggest post of all time? Also, Admin should create a Hall of Fame section with the largest, most epic posts ever

 

http://forums.marlin...1-hall-of-fame/

 

edit: wait, was that sarcastic?

 

No, I'm just an idiot

Where is Marlins nowadays

Admin, why don't you do the award anymore? Or do you?

Bob Nightengale �@BNightengale

Commissioner Bud Selig knows he can't legally overturn the #Marlins-#Bluejays trade,but wants Jeffrey Loria to sweat with his #MLB review.

Well, as long as he sweats...

 

...he could certainly lose some of the weight...

Bob Nightengale �@BNightengale

Commissioner Bud Selig knows he can't legally overturn the #Marlins-#Bluejays trade,but wants Jeffrey Loria to sweat with his #MLB review.

 

 

Less sweating, more butt kicking. The MLB needs to force Loria to sell after the 2013 or 2014 season.

Bob Nightengale �@BNightengale

Commissioner Bud Selig knows he can't legally overturn the #Marlins-#Bluejays trade,but wants Jeffrey Loria to sweat with his #MLB review.

 

 

Less sweating, more butt kicking. The MLB needs to force Loria to sell after the 2013 or 2014 season.

Thing is, if they FORCE him to sell, the MLB will probably have to be the one paying the penalty Loria would be having for selling the team.

I just got back to civilization and this "trade" is what I come back to. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Ive been a fan since 93. Im done. This is it. F#CK LORIA. F#CK SAMPSON. This is an absolute joke. Im done. What a joke. Im in shock and disbelief.

The 2013 team should be composed of veterans and holding the positions until these guys can develop.

 

Players like Juan Pierre, Carlos Lee, Manny Ramitez, and Kouzmanoff should be given chances to perform one last time. Soria and Madsden should be signed to 3 year deals and let them get healthy for mid 2013 and 2014.

 

They absolutely should not throw so many rookies out there at once. Hechecaria, Escobar and Alvarez- fine.

 

Sign two on their last leg SP looking for jobs and plug them in the rotation- the Zito and Webb/Bondermans.

 

 

At this point, they should do the exact opposite of that.

 

I get it, I mean if you're going to hand the team to the kids then don't waste time giving at-bats to older guys who may not be around in year 20?? when the kids are all good and ready to contend. And I don't want Pierre and Manny and the guys above, but I just feel like if they go out and at least get like a Haren or Youk or whatever, something for 3 years it at least saves some face and you're slightly less of a laughingstock. And realistically throwing that rotation of kids out there all season to take a beating is probably going to be brutal. Wouldn't hurt to add a vet in there.

 

and yeah attendance will suck anyway and it won't make fans love them so why bother... I dunno.

Bomani Jones made a couple great points about the trade:

1. Except for Buck, none of these guys we're performing worse than their contracts

2. If the team would have shopped these players individually, instead of as one big stupid package, the team could have got much more back

The 2013 team should be composed of veterans and holding the positions until these guys can develop.

 

Players like Juan Pierre, Carlos Lee, Manny Ramitez, and Kouzmanoff should be given chances to perform one last time. Soria and Madsden should be signed to 3 year deals and let them get healthy for mid 2013 and 2014.

 

They absolutely should not throw so many rookies out there at once. Hechecaria, Escobar and Alvarez- fine.

 

Sign two on their last leg SP looking for jobs and plug them in the rotation- the Zito and Webb/Bondermans.

 

 

At this point, they should do the exact opposite of that.

 

I get it, I mean if you're going to start kids then don't waste time giving at-bats to old guys who may not be around in year 20** when the kids are all good. And I don't want Pierre and Manny and the guys above, but I just feel like if they go out and at least get like a Haren or something for 3 years it at least saves some face. And realistically throwing that rotation of kids out there all season to take a beating is probably going to be brutal. Wouldn't hurt to add a vet in there.

 

and yeah attendance will suck anyway and it won't make fans love them so why bother... I dunno.

 

I wouldn't mind Haren.

 

Just saying, signing old guys who can't even play anymore/giving relievers 3-year deals is definitely not the answer.

 

It doesn't matter though because this front office is pretty evidently going to do nothing this offseason.

Sign Haren, Marcum, BJ Upton and Youklis and i'll be happy even after the trade!

Apparently Nolasco will be on the team as well. Great trade Buehrle and Johnson and keep Nolasco who is making 11.5 million.

Bomani Jones made a couple great points about the trade:

2. If the team would have shopped these players individually, instead of as one big stupid package, the team could have got much more back

 

 

I don't know that I buy that. We were the high bidders for Buehrle and Reyes in FA. I'm not sure that teams would line up to take on those inflated contracts or they would have gotten them in the first place (contracts which are now worse since we used up the 1st year on the cheap) while at the same time giving us their best prospects in the deal.

Apparently Nolasco will be on the team as well. Great trade Buehrle and Johnson and keep Nolasco who is making 11.5 million.

 

According to the Lebatard show Nolasco now may stay because Giancarlo is tight with Nolasco.