Erick Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Two separate questions... 1. Would you trade Cishek this offseason? 2. Do you think the Marlins will trade Cishek this offseason? With all the talk of a potential Stanton extension and who we might sign, I feel like the decision on Cishek will be the biggest move of the offseason. Reasons to keep him: Very good closer who keeps everyone in their role in the pen. Reasons to let him go: Becoming rather expensive and we have great depth in the bullpen (2.59 2nd half ERA out of the pen lowest in the NL). I say thanks for the memories, but it's time to trade him. You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I say keep him. You have a proven commodity and if you are really in it to win, spend the extra 3-4 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 At the very least, dangle him to see if we can get either some infield help or a young starter. Maybe package him with Eovaldi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bret Hart Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think Marlins will not trade Cishek this offseason. If they really tried that, they should trade him before 2014 trade deadline. Even we didn't prepare "Post-Cishek era". His shaky era of this season, it was belated affected by 2013 WBC, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 No and no- mainly because as we've seen this year going into the season you can never have enough bullpen depth. If our bullpen was half as good as they are now at the beginning of the year we may be making postseason plans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I'd dangle him to see what other teams would offer but I doubt we get anything good enough to pull the trigger on. So in that case I have no problem keeping him. In an ass backwards way it's a win win for us. We either get a good return or we keep our pretty good closer. Even with his struggles I'm happy to have him as our closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Also... I'd hate to lose Cishek and then go through that awkward period of trying out three or four potential closers when we inevitably lose a few games because obviously a few of those potential closers will blow the opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think he stays, Cishek is going to cost less than anyone out there that could replace him from outside the organization, with a proven track record. Realistically the only real in house solution would be Ramos, but I think he's better suited as a set up man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think he stays, Cishek is going to cost less than anyone out there that could replace him from outside the organization, with a proven track record. Realistically the only real in house solution would be Ramos, but I think he's better suited as a set up man. There are quite a few more in house candidates than just Ramos. I'm with Silver here, you either get a great return or you keep him. Win win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 1) yes 2) no caveats are the return needs to be a mlb caliber player. I love cishek, but closers are never worth the $ and I think we have enough bullpen depth to replace him. Ramos and his 6 BB/9 are pretty bad. Capps will be an outstanding closer one day if hat UCL holds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmeister Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 I agree with casting him out on a line and see who bites. He would be great to keep, but really isn't that hard to replace considering how great our bullpen has been as of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 I think he stays, Cishek is going to cost less than anyone out there that could replace him from outside the organization, with a proven track record. Realistically the only real in house solution would be Ramos, but I think he's better suited as a set up man. I don't think that that's true. I don't even think he'd be the best alternative solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I don't think that that's true. I don't even think he'd be the best alternative solution. So who in house would be better? Ramos has track record in the minors as a closer and has been successful in the majors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Ramos walks way too many guys, the most in the league per inning pitched actually. That's not a guy you want in a critical situation. I'd actually throw Dyson out there for the ninth. You want your best pitchers available earlier for crucial situations in the 7th or 8th. Dyson gets ground balls and doesn't usually give up home runs. If he can mentally handle the ninth, he'd be a good option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Capps would certainly get a shot if he's healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Dyson, Capps, and Morris should all be highly considered. All three can be dominant and have very good stuff. I imagine Eovaldi would be considered as well with Heaney and Nicolino knocking on the door next year. Although I think a trade should be more likely considering his numbers in the first inning aren't exactly stellar and don't really point to a guy that's dominating lineups the first time through... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Wouldnt be shocked if Bryan Morris goes back to being mediocre again next year as his performance in Miami is kind of an anomoly from both his prior MLB and his MiLB career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Wouldnt be shocked if Bryan Morris goes back to being mediocre again next year as his performance in Miami is kind of an anomoly from both his prior MLB and his MiLB career. He could go either way, for sure. But the stuff is there, you can see why the Marlins wanted him so badly when they made that deal. So far they have been absolutely right, but you never know what tomorrow brings with relievers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I dont think the Marlins really wanted him that badly. They were just looking for anyway to get out of the bonus pool and would probably have taken any arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 21, 2014 Author Share Posted September 21, 2014 Bryan Morris isn't as good as his ERA, but he's done just fine here. He's not "mediocre." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I dont think the Marlins really wanted him that badly. They were just looking for anyway to get out of the bonus pool and would probably have taken any arm. I'd be surprised if any of that was true. The way I saw it, they wanted a controllable arm to help their struggling bullpen and didn't really have anything of significance on the farm to offer anyone, so they over paid with the compensation pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 And as usual, you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I agree with Erick - not as good as ERA, but not mediocre. He has some good stuff. Spike - do you work in the Marlins front office and therefore know what they were thinking when the trade went down? No? Then you know about as much as Wild Card on this situation. Stop putting your opinions out as facts without any backing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Its a situation where you can pretty clearly read between the lines and see what their motive was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Its a situation where you can pretty clearly read between the lines and see what their motive was. Jeff L says for the record spike is right- they shed the slot money to afford Greg and Morris. A decent move in retrospect considering what Morris meant to this team down the stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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