One more great Suzuki. 

 

I think they should get Seiya. Makes a lot of sense. He can fill a corner OF spot, can sign him for a few years (low risk, and then he can sign elsewhere for another payday), he's young, he has power, won't be as expensive as a Castellanos, they won't give up a draft pick, and the team can say they signed an International FA star! 

 

 

3 hours ago, Das Texan said:

I think thats a dumb decision tbh. 

Buxton >> Correa 

6 hours ago, marlins_09 said:

Buxton >> Correa 

I like Buxton, but that’s a hard disagree. That being said, signing Correa was never a realistic option.  Acquiring Buxton would certainly be nice, depending on what we’d have to send back.  Of course, it would have to be just one of several moves though. 

7 hours ago, QbanCastillo said:

I think they should get Seiya. Makes a lot of sense. He can fill a corner OF spot, can sign him for a few years (low risk, and then he can sign elsewhere for another payday), he's young, he has power, won't be as expensive as a Castellanos, they won't give up a draft pick, and the team can say they signed an International FA star! 

 

 

Yep, I would like to take a chance on Seiya. 

8 hours ago, marlins_09 said:

Buxton >> Correa 

based on what?

stolen bases?

A lot of crying on this thread.. Just wait a few months..

 

1 minute ago, Entendu said:

A lot of crying on this thread.. Just wait a few months..

 

Yeah ... yeah, I guess you're right.

(Turns over calendar page to Month 49 of "just a few months")

1 minute ago, Entendu said:

A lot of crying on this thread.. Just wait a few months..

 

i agree.  

and truth telling being seen as not being patient or some other code word for not fellating ownership essentially. 

12 minutes ago, Michael said:

Yeah ... yeah, I guess you're right.

(Turns over calendar page to Month 49 of "just a few months")

10 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

i agree.  

and truth telling being seen as not being patient or some other code word for not fellating ownership essentially. 

Gotta love people who confuse “truth telling” with being dramatically pessimistic. 
 

the truth is we’re a small market team who was never going to spend $$$ when they’re not in a competitive window. The truth is even in their competitive window, they probably still won’t spend as much as you’d like them to. The truth is we’re 2-3 weeks into FA and judging anyone’s offseason at this point is ludicrous. 
 

You can agree with all of the points above and still think this group has a lot to prove. In short order. But being the “honest asshole” is a self awarded title and undeserving of any praise. It’s just as immature as those who are getting their hopes up for a real, impactful offseason. 

 

 

19 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

the truth is we’re a small market team who was never going to spend $$$ when they’re not in a competitive window. The truth is even in their competitive window, they probably still won’t spend as much as you’d like them to. The truth is we’re 2-3 weeks into FA and judging anyone’s offseason at this point is ludicrous. 

I certainly can agree with all of these. I feel it is reasonable to at least hope that the team gets into the middle third (I'm not even asking top half here, so 16th to 20th) of payroll in MLB some time in the near future. Hopefully that will be the case soon enough.

We do have a lot of offseason left, CBA/lockout pending ...

As it is, pretty much every move made so far by this regime has been in silence until it was about to be announced. Hopefully that's the same here and they'll surprise us soon but certainly not holding my breath.

18 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

Gotta love people who confuse “truth telling” with being dramatically pessimistic. 
 

the truth is we’re a small market team who was never going to spend $$$ when they’re not in a competitive window. The truth is even in their competitive window, they probably still won’t spend as much as you’d like them to. The truth is we’re 2-3 weeks into FA and judging anyone’s offseason at this point is ludicrous. 
 

You can agree with all of the points above and still think this group has a lot to prove. In short order. But being the “honest asshole” is a self awarded title and undeserving of any praise. It’s just as immature as those who are getting their hopes up for a real, impactful offseason. 

 

 

Marlins are a low REVENUE team.  This small media market thing is such a fucking myth.  They are in the middle 1/3 of media markets in MLB last I checked.

Based on their actual media market they should be in the middle 1/3 in spending.  They arent.

They are LOW REVENUE, which is not the same as SMALL MARKET.

They are low revenue based on many sins first with really Huizenga, second with Loria, third with Miami itself and fourth even with themselves (doing the low class bullshit they did with Michael is on them and just further discourages people from spending on their product).

You can argue they acted like they were in their window after reaching the playoffs in 2020 and did nothing.  Whether thats true or not, it raised fan expectations and instead of capitalizing on that, they literally did nothing of consequence to improve on that team.  Thats called not reading your customer base.  

It is what it is, but Jeter is proving over and over again he is really bad at this Executive thing. 

conversely, Oakland is a SMALL REVENUE team in a GIANT market.  

Do you call them a small market team?

Cardinals are a HIGH REVENUE team in a SMALL market.

But nobody really ever brings up their market size.

When you are looking for excuses for WHY you dont do something thats when these catch words get brought up.  Its Marlins organization/fan excuses for why they dont spend 101, going back some 20 years now at least! 

We're 4 years into Jeter/Sherman, this 2 weeks BS is the only thing that IS ludicrous. They didn't just begin their time here. It is always "we'll do something when the time is right". Well I got news for people ok with that, our competitive window slams shut when we choose not to lock up the arms like Sandy who put us in a position to be competitive.

And the apologists are already preparing to defend them if/when they do nothing in a few months as well since it is a "Small market team". Sure, let's wait and see. Some people never get tired of waiting I suppose. And being annoyed at a lack of progress is code for crying too I suppose. I'd rather "cry" than get kicked around and ask for more like some pushovers in the fanbase.

 

Just now, taiwanmarlin said:

 

Nothing new there, Morosi is recycling the same story that's been told by others.

 

Wake me when they actually sign him (or anyone).

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

Wake me when they actually sign him (or anyone).

Sorry, I can't help you because I need somebody to wake me, too. 

1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

Marlins are a low REVENUE team.  This small media market thing is such a fucking myth.  They are in the middle 1/3 of media markets in MLB last I checked.

Based on their actual media market they should be in the middle 1/3 in spending.  They arent.

They are LOW REVENUE, which is not the same as SMALL MARKET.

They are low revenue based on many sins first with really Huizenga, second with Loria, third with Miami itself and fourth even with themselves (doing the low class bullshit they did with Michael is on them and just further discourages people from spending on their product).

You can argue they acted like they were in their window after reaching the playoffs in 2020 and did nothing.  Whether thats true or not, it raised fan expectations and instead of capitalizing on that, they literally did nothing of consequence to improve on that team.  Thats called not reading your customer base.  

It is what it is, but Jeter is proving over and over again he is really bad at this Executive thing. 

They have a new TV contract and naming rights deals now, so the excuses are over in that regard.  They need to spend, or sell it.

1 hour ago, SonOfJack said:

We're 4 years into Jeter/Sherman, this 2 weeks BS is the only thing that IS ludicrous. They didn't just begin their time here. It is always "we'll do something when the time is right". Well I got news for people ok with that, our competitive window slams shut when we choose not to lock up the arms like Sandy who put us in a position to be competitive.

And the apologists are already preparing to defend them if/when they do nothing in a few months as well since it is a "Small market team". Sure, let's wait and see. Some people never get tired of waiting I suppose. And being annoyed at a lack of progress is code for crying too I suppose. I'd rather "cry" than get kicked around and ask for more like some pushovers in the fanbase.

I'm going to push back here.  You're right they didn't just begin their time here, but to get out the pitchforks because they haven't signed a FA yet so early in the offseason is premature.  I agree, they should've wrapped up the Sandy extension already as a sign that things are different, not only to our fans, but also to FAs/the league.

If this offseason passes by and they continue the "we tried" and sign just "scrap heap" FAs, don't extend guys, and/or don't make notable trades, I'll line up with you to complain and not care anymore.  I've said quite a few times during last season that they have this offseason to prove that they're going to be different - the offseason stretches from the last pitch of the WS to opening of ST, so I'm willing to give them that amount of time.

19 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

If this offseason passes by and they continue the "we tried" and sign just "scrap heap" FAs, don't extend guys, and/or don't make notable trades, I'll line up with you to complain and not care anymor

Fair enough but I get the sense some others won't and that they'll still say "give them more time" or it is a "small market team"

I guess we'll wait and see (patent pending) on that.

I've stated for a long, long time - 2022 is the cutoff year for me.

I gave them a fairly generous five year window once they bought the team to start turning this thing into a sustainable winner. They've got the farm system part going, at least ...

I wanted to give them this entire off-season before I went wild, but I do not like how things are going so far. What put me over the edge were the recent rumors about the Sandy extension. That spoke volumes to me personally.

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

I wanted to give them this entire off-season before I went wild, but I do not like how things are going so far. What put me over the edge were the recent rumors about the Sandy extension. That spoke volumes to me personally.

Yeah. "Well, we still control him." The hell?

I hope that just means "we don't have to worry about him leaving soon if we don't get this deal done ASAP and we have some time to hammer it out" and it was just worded abysmally.

But certainly very upsetting.

"Marlins offered a lowball, three-year deal in the $30-39MM range prior to trading him — and with a number of recent free agents commanding premium salaries through age-36, we pegged him for a four-year deal at a total of $80MM."

1 minute ago, taiwanmarlin said:

Marlins offered a lowball, three-year deal in the $30-39MM range prior to trading him

And we're supposed to think that same team now is going to splurge.

Wait and see.