8 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Regardless.

 

ink to paper.

Loria got it done.  Results are results, whether you like how they ended up or not.

Loria has still done something this ownership group refuses to do.

Get a player to agree to a multi year deal for significant dollars for that deal.

 

When Jeter and Sherman open up their wallets and actually get that done, then we can talk. 

The point being that Loria did not commit to any of those contracts. It was all a facade. It's a hell of a lot easier to "open up your wallet" and sign a player that you have no intention of paying in the long run.

Jeter is probably checking if any free agents will run Black Friday sales

 

enough is enough, bitch Loria should sold Marlins to Jorge Mas and not Bruce Sherman, hope Mas still wants to buy this team now …

I never expected us to be in on Correa even if he made a lot of sense. 

7 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

I've seen this story before

are you from the future too ?

9 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

They won't go to 105. I am not confident they'd even go 80. So yeah they probably won't get him if that ends up being accurate.

If they can't sign Marte, they can't sign everybody else, too. Have money to spend !? fuxk yourself Bruce Sherman. 

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3 hours ago, FishFan95 said:

The point being that Loria did not commit to any of those contracts. It was all a facade. It's a hell of a lot easier to "open up your wallet" and sign a player that you have no intention of paying in the long run.

*shrugs*

still got players to sign, even if he didnt intend to keep them.

more than we can say for this ownership group.

7 hours ago, FishFan95 said:

I can't think of a single contract that Loria inked that he had to foot the bill for the big bucks. They were always super back loaded and the player was always traded (or he sold the team) before the real money kicked in. Delgado? Made about a fifth of his previous year's salary in the first year before being traded. Marlins ultimately only paid $11 M of his $60 M salary. Reyes? Buehrle? Bell? All had pay cuts in the first year of the deal and backloaded contracts that got paid off by another team. Chen? Only $12.5 M of his $80 M contract while Loria owned the team. Giancarlo? Only made $30 M of $325 M while Loria was the owner. Can you think of a single significant signing that Loria actually paid for? It was all smoke and mirrors with him. No substance.

6 hours ago, FishFan95 said:

The point being that Loria did not commit to any of those contracts. It was all a facade. It's a hell of a lot easier to "open up your wallet" and sign a player that you have no intention of paying in the long run.

I'm with you.....you could sign a guy to a Infinite-year, $800 trillion deal, if you won't keep him past a year, it's not really doing your team any good.

3 hours ago, Das Texan said:

*shrugs*

still got players to sign, even if he didnt intend to keep them.

more than we can say for this ownership group.

This group has signed players too, though not major ones.

They have some leeway/benefit of the doubt in my book to sign someone notable, but emphasis on the word some.

4 hours ago, Das Texan said:

*shrugs*

still got players to sign, even if he didnt intend to keep them.

more than we can say for this ownership group.

Loria's biggest accomplishment was losing out on Pujols & CJ Wilson.  Those two would've bankrupted him, surely.

7 minutes ago, cyoung said:

Loria's biggest accomplishment was losing out on Pujols & CJ Wilson.  Those two would've bankrupted him, surely.

Not if he traded them halfway through the season like everyone else he signed that year.

 

They both would've had value at the time too

1 minute ago, rmc523 said:

Not if he traded them halfway through the season like everyone else he signed that year.

 

They both would've had value at the time too

Right...I remember the big issue was, he didn't give no-trade clauses.  That told everyone exactly what they needed to know.  He had no intention of letting any of them go past the first couple of years of a back-loaded contract.

10 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

I never expected us to be in on Correa even if he made a lot of sense. 

Yup, this 100%. Though I really believed that he SHOULD have been a real target,  I never believed he WOULD be. 

I mean I could absolutely see them just doing arbitration years with Sandy and then dealing him as he gets closer to FA.  They'll say they have lots of pitching depth (which may be true) and need to allocate the money elsewhere.  Until we start seeing payroll move up significantly it's gonna be the same story.  

10 hours ago, rmc523 said:

This group has signed players too, though not major ones.

Corey Dickerson?  Adam Duvall?

Am I missing some significant Free Agent signing with the Marlins during the Sherman/Jeter years?

Its been cheap cheap cheap.

Loria may have signed guys with massive back loaded deals he never intended to keep.

HE STILL GOT THEM TO SIGN.

Loria was a fucking god awful owner.

This group is even more miserly than Jeff, until proven otherwise.  

Thats pretty fucking bad.

 

I will care this team much less until they really spending, maybe that would never happen …

1 minute ago, taiwanmarlin said:

I will care this team much less until they really spending, maybe that would never happen …

This ownership group hasn't given us a reason to believe they'll ever put in the actual effort and money.

Needing to include Opening Day against the champs in a cheap bundle sure says a lot about their confidence in ticket sales. If they had big stuff planned, they'd likely expect better attendance at least on Opening Day.

8 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

This ownership group hasn't given us a reason to believe they'll ever put in the actual effort and money.

You know what's the most pathetic ? even they open the next season with a $50~60MM payroll, still have at least 8000 people in a home game (they won't lose money because they didn't spend), Sherman still owns the team, Jeter and Ng still keeps the jobs, this franchise still working normally. 

16 hours ago, Das Texan said:

*shrugs*

still got players to sign, even if he didnt intend to keep them.

more than we can say for this ownership group.

We’re like 2 weeks into the first FA period where it truly makes any sense to sign anyone impactful. Calmmm downnnn

1 minute ago, marlins_09 said:

We’re like 2 weeks into the first FA period where it truly makes any sense to sign anyone impactful. Calmmm downnnn

3 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

We’re like 2 weeks into the first FA period where it truly makes any sense to sign anyone impactful. Calmmm downnnn

Just like it made perfect sense to extend Marte to a reasonable extension last summer right?

A move that would cost north of 20 million more now.

Because lets low ball EVERYONE.

Word is that the Marlins are being cheap in the Sandy talks, not my words, go read the reports.

Same story, different day.

8 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

I’m not even in an argument, how am I moving goalposts? Lol. 

1 minute ago, Das Texan said:

Just like it made perfect sense to extend Marte to a reasonable extension last summer right?

A move that would cost north of 20 million more now.

Because lets low ball EVERYONE.

Word is that the Marlins are being cheap in the Sandy talks, not my words, go read the reports.

Same story, different day.

When did I say I agree with everything they do? When did I say they shouldn’t have tried to extend Marte mid-season last year? 

My comment was very straightforward, calm down on overreacting to the first 2-3 weeks of FA. If by February they haven’t added impact players and extended Sandy, then yeah, outrage is deserved. Until then, R-E-L-A-X

37 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

Needing to include Opening Day against the champs in a cheap bundle sure says a lot about their confidence in ticket sales. If they had big stuff planned, they'd likely expect better attendance at least on Opening Day.

They'ee probably gonna cancel those too in favor of season ticket holders. The cycle continues.