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Should the Marlins have traded Stanton to Pittsburgh Pirates?


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I'd say no, but the deal Pittsburgh supposedly offered is huge. They offered us Cole or Tallison (#1 and #2 in system, respectably) plus Greg Polanco, Alen Hanson, Josh Bell, and Luis Heredia. All top prospects.

 

http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130724&content_id=54603724&c_id=pit

 

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/31/report-pirates-made-serious-offer-for-giancarlo-stanton/

Overall, I'm happy we did not make this trade b/c now, we can build around Stanton.

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Yes.

 

 

Why do you think so? We would have lost what we have left of our fanbase.

 

What fan base? Its Miami. They win and we will have fans again. That return, although it probably was never a real offer, would have been quite a haul. They haven't signed Stanton yet and they should have already. He's going to be $$$$$

 

 

 

 

I agree but to be honest, outside of Cole, those other prospects aren't too exciting if Tallison and Cole aren't included. Wasn't this just a rumor anyway?

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This all looks like speculation, but what the hell I'll have fun with this one. Not that I think there was even a chance for the purposed deal also I'm pretty sure it would have been a choice between Cole or Taillion but who cares, but if they were packaging Hanson and Polanco and a couple others the Marlins would be stupid to turn that deal down. Hanson and Polanco are both top 60 prospects, I've seen both play this summer before their promotions to AA, they're both really talented.

As for the Marlins they don't have a fan base (other than real fans here), plus most are still pissed at the Toronto trade, but if its one thing I've noticed about "Marlins fans" they'll show up when they make the playoffs.

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I like the strength of our pitching as it stands right now. There's still more to do to see these "prospects" establish themselves in the majors, but the same can be said about those Pirates prospects. People in this thread are rating those guys highly and rightly so, but is there a big NEED for them? Sure, they'd make our organization stronger as a whole, but to what extent?

 

Pirates:

Cole

Taillon - 12 in Baseball, 4th highest RH pitcher

Greg Polanco - 15 in Baseball, 5th highest OF - bats lefty

Alen Hanson - 44 in Baseball

Josh Bell - Switch hitter, OF

Luis Heredia - RHP

 

Marlins:

Yelich - 10 in Baseball, 3rd highest OF - bats lefty

Marisnick - 48

Heaney - 54, 4th highest LH pitcher

Nicolino - 64, 6th highest LH pitcher

Moran - 78

Conley is our 6th highest (not on the list) and another lefty pitcher.

 

They're not going to give us Cole and Taillon plus I'd rather see two of our lefties slot into the rotation. Flynn is our 10th prospect, but he's probably closest to the MLB (as many have stated - surely to replace Jose in the Sept rotation) with Conley probably being behind him.

 

As one example, Bryce Harper career vs lefties: 673 OPS vs. lefties, 291 OBP, 8.7% BB, 26% K. 926 vs. righties, 379 OBP, 11.5% BB, 16.7% K. The lefties stats are even worse so far for him in 2013 in the smaller sample size. Isn't there some worth in at least 2 lefties in our rotation? If we get 2 from Heaney, Nicolino, Conley and Flynn... we'd be happy. The other 3 being from Jose (certainty), Turner, Eovaldi, Alvarez, Koehler and DeSclafani off the top of my head. Would Tallison or Cole make it better? Sure, but is it needed in exchange for Stanton? We don't need aces 1-5, how many starting pitchers are needed for the postseason? 4? Your 5 guy doesn't need to be a stud, he needs to be decent and I think we have the depth for that. Assuming Jose-Heaney is a legit 1-2 punch, we then have the others to fill the 3-4 and I think they're good enough for that.

 

The lineup depth isn't anywhere near as good as the pitching, could we make that deal and then flip some of our pitchers (if they work out) for other hitters? Sure, but, for now, I'd still rather keep Stanton for a young team that doesn't have anything else to go around it until the youngsters develop. There's also enough young OF depth for us to let them play with Stanton around them. Yelich counters Greg Polanco and Marisnick is a high enough prospect to give him a shot. Then we also have Ozuna in the mix. I'm happy enough with our OF without trading our guy to get more of them when they're quite comparable to what we have.

 

I think we can move forward just fine with everything the way it is. I'm more concerned about the catching position long term and 3B is a big hole until Moran arrives in 2015. Zack Cox? Maybe, he's got a good OBP, only 2 HRs but another lefty bat (as Moran will be) and not so sure about him. He'd be cheap in 2014 so worth a shot, any free agent options? Hech is an awesome defensive SS, but he doesn't walk and his great July had a 400 BABIP the last time I checked. I'd still like to see a bigger sample size from him, I'd like to see him walk more. He's never done that in the minors either aside from one AAA season right before the Blu Jays called him up if I remember. Dietrich still has more work to do at 2B in the minors as well.

 

I just see more questions in the lineup and even more if we trade Stanton like in the original post. It would be more intriguing if a Stanton trade helped the weaker parts of our hitting lineup.

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No, Marlins are in need of bats not pitching.

 

Teams are always in need of pitching. While true, the need is not nearly as prevalent for this team as the need for hitting. We have solid pitching now, with about 4 that are just about a year or 2 from being called up.

 

Most of our good position prospects are a bit further off now that the "big 3" have already made their debut.

 

I just think, in this instance (not knowing, of course, what other players could be packaged) you're getting back less than you're giving up.

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No, Marlins are in need of bats not pitching.

 

Teams are always in need of pitching.While true, the need is not nearly as prevalent for this team as the need for hitting. We have solid pitching now, with about 4 that are just about a year or 2 from being called up.

 

Most of our good position prospects are a bit further off now that the "big 3" have already made their debut.

 

I just think, in this instance (not knowing, of course, what other players could be packaged) you're getting back less than you're giving up.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely, I agree. I was just saying.

Personally, I would build around Stanton.

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At this point I'd build around Stanton as well.to

 

I also wouldn't trade Stanton until he officially refuses to take any deal we offer. If the Marlins make a reasonable offer (7/85-100) and he declines, only then do you start shopping Stanton seriously. Hitter's like Giancarlo don't grow on trees. If everything goes right Giancarlo stays a Marlin for life, no matter how unlikely that scenario seems.

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Stanton is the type of hitter that can go through big offensive bursts and leave you in awe, even if he streaky. He will improve with age and become most consistent as a hitter. As of right now, his upside IMO is as big as any position player out there, including Trout. I won't pass that type of talent up, even if we get solid players that fills a huge need on this team. One of our returns would have to be a sure fire blue chipper for me to consider the trade.

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How does the team become better subtracting Stanton's bat from the lineup?

The Pirates don't have anything that is even close to Stanton's bat to trade

Pitching-wise We have some amazing arms itching to wear the Marlins color

It's gonna crowded very soon...I kinda like Alen Hanson but Hechavarria

has a better glove and a bigger upside imo Polanco is a toolsy prospect

but we need A power bat we don't have many of those around, at all...

It's not the right package for Stanton

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I would trade stanton after next year if he continues to be so damn streaky. He goes through spurts where he is unbelievable, yes, but there are also just soooooo many bad streaks with him. If we can get a top guy like a Profar or a Bogaerts plus like 2-3 other top prospects i would be absolutely in support of that.

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Why trade him? We have his rights for 3/4 years. At 5-10 mill per season. That ain't bad. In a couple more years offer him a long term deal and if he declines then look to trade him. For what it's worth I have an in that Marlins will sign him long term by end of year or are at least going to make an offer. We will see

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The source told Marlin Maniac that the Pirates offered the Marlins a compelling offer, which included both cost-controlled major league players and a top pitching prospect. The Pirates offered the Marlins rookie pitcher Gerrit Cole, outfielder Starling Marte, and prospects James Taillon and Stetson Allie for Stanton, Steve Cishek, and Justin Ruggiano.

Still say no.

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