GuitarPik Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 can he fucking tell us the other 3 players in the deal? He’s so full of shit right now, I wouldn’t believe him if he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 He’s so full of shit right now, I wouldn’t believe him if he did. i dont have mlb network, what is he saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 already confirmed not to be part of it. I think Bader is likely to be part of the deal. I'm not so sure. If Sandy was the centerpiece, Bader is considered to be equal if not better quality prospects in some circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I'm not so sure. If Sandy was the centerpiece, Bader is considered to be equal if not better quality prospects in some circles. we'll see, but i think it makes all the sense in the world that instead of grabbing flaherty and a lower ranked of they decided to go with the potential that they might see in alcantara and a higher rated OF in bader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarPik Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 i dont have mlb network, what is he saying? Basically said they wanted to keep Stanton but he didn’t want to be here. And that all this is necessary to start over and do it the right way. All the while with a huge shit eating grin on his face that really makes me want to vomit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Marlins were kinda interested in Jose Martinez.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Basically said they wanted to keep Stanton but he didn’t want to be here. And that all this is necessary to start over and do it the right way. All the while with a huge shit eating grin on his face that really makes me want to vomit. well he's right about the doing the right way thing. but id really love to see him no longer here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knglover Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 Basically said they wanted to keep Stanton but he didn’t want to be here. And that all this is necessary to start over and do it the right way. All the while with a huge shit eating grin on his face that really makes me want to vomit. I think he was only half lying. Both parties didn't want to continue the relationship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exasperated Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 or (I'm going out on a limb here) Hill and Jeter genuinely believe these are good moves. And Denbo (the all knowing scout) agrees with these moves. They believe they have a financial crisis and an organizational crisis and the best way to remedy these problems is to trade all older players for prospects. And they could care less what the rest of the league does until they are in a position to win for a long time. yesh but once these assets are gone, then they have to draft EXCEPTIONALLY for the 3 drafts, or this "rebuild" will take longer & without Hill, Denbo or Jeter....and possibly totally new owners, but it will still be bleeding money - they will have to sign some FA's and those always cosy an arm & a leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 can he fucking tell us the other 3 players in the deal? all the Cards told him is "they'll probably never make the majors so you won't have to worry about paying them" and he said "DEAL!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarPik Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 well he's right about the doing the right way thing. but id really love to see him no longer here. Yeah but he’s been the GM for how long? Now all of a sudden we are supposed to believe he’s going to get it right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Yeah but he’s been the GM for how long? Now all of a sudden we are supposed to believe he’s going to get it right? a valid concern. I like Denbo a lot though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exasperated Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 While making millions of dollars. Poor guy. yeah but competitive athletes also like to win too....Money isn't everything, and once you have as much as he'll make a year, you can buy anything & go anywhere, but you can't buy happiness in your career & it gets pretty old always being a loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THRILLHO Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 We have to hope that Michael Hill is secretly good at his job and that Loria was wrecking all his hard work all along and pushing bad moves into his desk. I think that did happen but I also don’t think Hill should still be here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 We have to hope that Michael Hill is secretly good at his job and that Loria was wrecking all his hard work all along and pushing bad moves into his desk. I think that did happen but I also don’t think Hill should still be here Doesn't seem like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlinsmaniac Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I think that Mike Hill is here strictly for continuity reasons when needed and to be the bad guy showing his face to these guys when they get dumped. I'm sure it's mostly Denbo calling the shots behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THRILLHO Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 a valid concern. I like Denbo a lot though. Agree. Denbo provides some hope that there is some competency in the decision making process. That’s only one component though. We need people that can negotiate and well...what can I tell you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Agree. Denbo provides some hope that there is some competency in the decision making process. That’s only one component though. We need people that can negotiate and well...what can I tell you I think the scouting overhaul is more important than Hill being gone. Our drafting has been beyond bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exasperated Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 This is very troubling. A rebuild is fine, but only if it's handled by competent people. Losing our current stars for lackluster returns is definitely the worst of both worlds It's going to perpetuate the misery for those that follow the team....an owner that is cash poor, a front office that can't handle trades for value, and in Hill a guy that has not shown even the competence better than throwing darts at a board in his drafts. The way they are headed it seems this will be more of a 2023/2024 time frame for any decent competitive team to emerge. And Fish20 you said the target date was 2020.....yeah right..... :4_joy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish20 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 It's going to perpetuate the misery for those that follow the team....an owner that is cash poor, a front office that can't handle trades for value, and in Hill a guy that has not shown even the competence better than throwing darts at a board in his drafts. The way they are headed it seems this will be more of a 2023/2024 time frame for any decent competitive team to emerge. And Fish20 you said the target date was 2020.....yeah right..... :4_joy: I said 2020 is when you should start seeing progress following 2 years of being terrible with 2021 being a year in which playoffs should be the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I'll take a break from banging my head on the table. Ozuna is an All-Star cleanup hitter and CF. You can't get much more valuable than that. Really have to hit on this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 We have to hope that Michael Hill is secretly good at his job and that Loria was wrecking all his hard work all along and pushing bad moves into his desk. I think that did happen but I also don’t think Hill should still be here I think you're smoking mcCRACKen! Lol Couldn't help myself. Just messing with you. Hill is only here to be the scapegoat. He will be gone soon enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THRILLHO Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 From https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/cardinals-trade-for-new-best-position-player/ “If Alcantara does indeed turn out to be the key guy, his stock has fallen. Before this past season, Eric Longenhagen ranked him third in the Cardinals’ system, and now he ranks fifth. Alcantara’s strikeouts went backwards, and he’s still showing inconsistent control of his big-time fastball. Because Alcantara has yet to make more of his peak velocity, there are real concerns he ends up in the bullpen. All of his major-league appearances with the Cardinals were made as a reliever. The Marlins, presumably, will let him keep starting. He instantly becomes a jewel in their own system, as the organization hopes he learns where his fastball is going.” not exciting as a centerpiece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THRILLHO Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I think you're smoking mcCRACKen! Lol Couldn't help myself. Just missing with you. Hill is only here to be the scapegoat. He will be gone soon enough. I feel like smoking crack right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Hill is only here to be the scapegoat. He will be gone soon enough. what? then who's negotiating and pulling the trigger on these deals? Denbo? he should be fired then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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