Joe8512 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Clearly he's been tearin it up. I'm not gonna lie, I fantasize about the marlins having a team with a catcher who can throw a baseball to second, block pitches, and any swinging of a bat would just be a bonus. At Salty''s rate, guys can steal with their hand tied to their foot, his passed balls have also cost us big at times. I was impressed with Realmuto when I saw him play for us his defense looked great. Should/will he be our guy next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Clearly he's been tearin it up. I'm not gonna lie, I fantasize about the marlins having a team with a catcher who can throw a baseball to second, block pitches, and any swinging of a bat would just be a bonus. At Salty''s rate, guys can steal with their hand tied to their foot, his passed balls have also cost us big at times. I was impressed with Realmuto when I saw him play for us his defense looked great. Should/will he be our guy next year? I've rather grown to like Mathis hitting 8th- his defensive game is very much above average. He also seems to call a great game and keep pitchers under control during bad innings. The exception is Ramos today. If Red would use Salty before the 7th and Mathis after as a defensive replacement I think we'd have a great backstop battery. Not exactly Piazza and Zaun or Pratt or Fabregas, but still pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'm not sure about outright starting as of opening day, but maybe easing him into the starting role over the first couple months, see how he handles things. I'm not entirely sure. I like Salty's potential offensive output, which I'd honestly say is somewhere between his 2012 and 2013 numbers, but obviously he needs to put up the numbers in order to be a viable, consistent starting option. Otherwise, yes, I'd rather have Realmuto/Mathis/any catcher who can block a baseball over Salty. With Salty, I'd give him at least the first half of next year before giving up on him overall, because I can't honestly believe he is truly this bad with the bat. Spike and Wild Card - let me save you the trouble of posts. Spike - yes, he is better offensively than the numbers he's put up this year. Wild Card - no, he will not OPS .800 next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Dammit, Erick, use stats and your sabermetrics and shit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 No Way...he sill needs to develop as a catcher. I like his bat but catching is so much more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 BTW do I hear howling and booing about Salty? mhmmm not that I wanna say I told you so but...I told you so...I may need to change my name to Nostradamus here LOL, I have gotten a few wrong but on this one I was right on the money. I am not happy about it I really hoped for Salty to have had a great season with the bat, I just felt that he was being overhyped in the past off-season. I just couldn't see his HR stats carrying over to Marlins stadium, but the strike outs sure did. He had a bad year behind the plate as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanofthefish Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 There are 15 million reasons he won't be the catcher for the next two years! The only way he's starting is if god forbid Stanton isn't back and Salty has moved to first and Jones to right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 There are 15 million reasons he won't be the catcher for the next two years! The only way he's starting is if god forbid Stanton isn't back and Salty has moved to first and Jones to right Oh gawd don't ever put that thought in my head ever again. Worst team ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Salty isn't going anywhere. Mathis, on the other hand, may be the one Realmuto replaces next year. Catchers are different from other position players, you can bring a prospect up and put him on the bench but he'll still start 50-60 games next year as a back up. Then, in 2016, we would see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Realmuto shouldn't come up to be the backup. He needs to get 400+ PA next season and thats only going to happen in AAA. Send him there. Also important to note, he wasn't good in 12-13. He needs another year to prove this wasn't a fluke. Salty is also basically tied for 19th in catcher WAR right now. Yea that is below average, but not embarrassing. You'd imagine he is somewhat better next year also a year into the league conversion. If Realmuto is awesome, consider calling him up in the summer and shuffle whoever around the infield. That's about it for 2015 for him. Encouraging, but not there yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I can agree with all that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollythewog Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Well here's a timely article on just how shitty salty has been framing pitches especially compared to mathis. Hopefully as Lou mentioned he will improve next year with the new league etc http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseballs-least-improved-pitch-framer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 was going to say sure call him up to split time with Salty, but Lou's probably correct that you don't want Realmuto sitting on the bench for 60-70% of the games when he could be getting the majority of starts in AAA. Plus I doubt they're looking to move Salty and they have a club option on Mathis who they love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 As much as Realmulto needs it would be irresponsible and crazy for the Marlins FO to sit him on the bench instead of working on his catching skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I really like Mathis' defensive ability but we just need more consistent offense from the catcher spot. A lot of that has to do with Saltalamacchia but I could see the Marlins allocating Mathis' 1.5 million elsewhere if they need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entendu Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Realmuto shouldn't come up to be the backup. He needs to get 400+ PA next season and thats only going to happen in AAA. Send him there. Also important to note, he wasn't good in 12-13. He needs another year to prove this wasn't a fluke. Salty is also basically tied for 19th in catcher WAR right now. Yea that is below average, but not embarrassing. You'd imagine he is somewhat better next year also a year into the league conversion. If Realmuto is awesome, consider calling him up in the summer and shuffle whoever around the infield. That's about it for 2015 for him. Encouraging, but not there yet. My thoughts exactly. I don't mind letting a catcher develop all the way through AAA, especially when our catching situation isn't horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe8512 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Share Posted September 17, 2014 My thoughts exactly. I don't mind letting a catcher develop all the way through AAA, especially when our catching situation isn't horrendous. I disagree, in my mind, Salty is every bit of horrendous. Even Tommy lost it two nights ago when he threw into center field instead of to Solano. It's been the same shit with awful throws and passed balls all year. Now add on top he is one of if not the worst bat we have. I would almost rather Brad Penny or Alvarez take the at bat in a clutch spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I disagree, in my mind, Salty is every bit of horrendous. Even Tommy lost it two nights ago when he threw into center field instead of to Solano. It's been the same shit with awful throws and passed balls all year. Now add on top he is one of if not the worst bat we have. I would almost rather Brad Penny or Alvarez take the at bat in a clutch spot. Saltalamacchia WAR - 1.4 Cumulative all Marlins 1B, 2B, SS this season - 1.1 This is not the problem. It's not great, but not the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I disagree, in my mind, Salty is every bit of horrendous. Even Tommy lost it two nights ago when he threw into center field instead of to Solano. It's been the same shit with awful throws and passed balls all year. Now add on top he is one of if not the worst bat we have. I would almost rather Brad Penny or Alvarez take the at bat in a clutch spot. You can't be serious here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Saltalamacchia WAR - 1.4 Cumulative all Marlins 1B, 2B, SS this season - 1.1 This is not the problem. It's not great, but not the problem. Isn't Salty's WAR 0.2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Isn't Salty's WAR 0.2? fWAR 1.4 rWAR 0.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 fWAR 1.4 rWAR 0.2 I misinterpreted the hyphens in Lou's post as negative symbols. My bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 maybe someone posted this in another thread elsewhere but Salty's swing looks a lot different from the start of the year too. At some point he transitioned into this big open looping swing. I'm not sure if that was a product of just trying to hit it over the fence or what but it's definitely different from when he started out the season. I mean it doesn't matter anymore with so few games left in the season but it was a bit more compact at the seasons start. He has managed to maintain a respectable OBP% for such a low average though so there's that I guess. I wasn't hoping for the world either this year out of him but I was figuring he'd at least have a .245 average with a few more doubles than he's had. as far as starting someone else over him next year? The Marlins aren't going to let 7 million just sit on the bench....maybe he'll be packaged along with Stanton for Detroit's "finest" prospects. (i kid - i hope) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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