Admin Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Can we trade fro Dombrowski? No because he'll become brain dead if we do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 No because he'll become brain dead if we do "Marlins trade three chairs and two dozen bags of peanuts for Dombrowski. Amazing steal for Marlins." [Three years later] "The seats the Marlins traded have had the most home runs hit to them since, and those bags of peanuts were available at the time of the Tigers three straight titles. Dombrowski sold Stanton to a Ugandan Warlord." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 does Daniel Murphy interest anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 "Marlins trade three chairs and two dozen bags of peanuts for Dombrowski. Amazing steal for Marlins." [Three years later] "The seats the Marlins traded have had the most home runs hit to them since, and those bags of peanuts were available at the time of the Tigers three straight titles. Dombrowski sold Stanton to a Ugandan Warlord." Am I the only who pictured Stanton being sold to Kamala as a member of the Powers of Pain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 does Daniel Murphy interest anyone? No. I think unless they go big (Betts, S. Castro, etc.) with a very long term young stud acquired for Heaney and other parts, you stick with Kike/Dietrich and see what happens. Seems kind of foolish to me to get a slightly above average starter (11th WAR 2B in 2014) for that kind of money and trade assets, who probably prices himself off the team in a few years. They need to build with Stanton, not make "go for it" trades which is what a Murphy acquisition is. Say what we will about the infield, if there is any longterm hope it's at 2B - Hernandez, Dietrich, Barnes, Romero. Hernandez was pretty good last year with a very low BABIP. Sample size issues for sure, but I'm not mad if these guys end up being the starters. I think a much bigger black hole is 1B (and then 3B as McGehee is gone in a year even if he is good in 2015, which isn't a guarantee). They have to address the corners longterm immediately. I imagine a Cishek/SP trade is coming soon for a young corner guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 No. I think unless they go big (Betts, S. Castro, etc.) with a very long term young stud acquired for Heaney and other parts, you stick with Kike/Dietrich and see what happens. Seems kind of foolish to me to get a slightly above average starter (11th WAR 2B in 2014) for that kind of money and trade assets, who probably prices himself off the team in a few years. They need to build with Stanton, not make "go for it" trades which is what a Murphy acquisition is. Say what we will about the infield, if there is any longterm hope it's at 2B - Hernandez, Dietrich, Barnes, Romero. Hernandez was pretty good last year with a very low BABIP. Sample size issues for sure, but I'm not mad if these guys end up being the starters. I think a much bigger black hole is 1B (and then 3B as McGehee is gone in a year even if he is good in 2015, which isn't a guarantee). They have to address the corners longterm immediately. I imagine a Cishek/SP trade is coming soon for a young corner guy. Murphy would make a pretty good first baseman... I'd love to acquire him if that was his role. He's gonna move there at some point anyway, and it won't be in NY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I don't want a 1B with a .289/.332/.403 slash. Which is nearly identical to Garret Jones .246/.309/.411 slash when it comes down to it. Jones had a .2 WAR. Murphy at 1B resembles Loney at absolute best, which is likely a 1-1.5 WARish player. Murphy is valuable because of his position. Let's not get crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Murphy would make a pretty good first baseman... I'd love to acquire him if that was his role. He's gonna move there at some point anyway, and it won't be in NY. I quoted this originally to go against it, but after looking a little bit into it, this wouldn't be a bad idea. He was a .290 hitter this past season, has been for the last three, could be decent right behind Yelich [i'm usually against the back to back lefties in a lineup thing, but Murphy has a .274 average career against LHP]. In front of Stanton, could probably be a .310 hitter, not out of the realm of possibilities considering he hit .320 in 2011 [109 games]. Would require a trade, though, wouldn't it? Baseball-Reference has him as 3rd year arb eligible this coming season. That's my only issue, and I think the Mets have a high value on him, plus trading within division, they'd probably ask for Heaney or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I don't want a 1B with a .289/.332/.403 slash. Which is nearly identical to Garret Jones .246/.309/.411 slash when it comes down to it. Jones had a .2 WAR. Murphy at 1B resembles Loney at absolute best, which is likely a 1-1.5 WARish player. Murphy is valuable because of his position. Let's not get crazy. We're talking a few runs saved, as well, because Murphy is much better than Jones defensively. In front of Stanton, getting better pitches, could be a 2 WAR guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I don't want a 1B with a .289/.332/.403 slash. Which is nearly identical to Garret Jones .246/.309/.411 slash when it comes down to it. Jones had a .2 WAR. Murphy at 1B resembles Loney at absolute best, which is likely a 1-1.5 WARish player. Murphy is valuable because of his position. Let's not get crazy. He's a better option than most of the crap we're talking about. I'd rather have Bour start than most of the shit left on the market. It's pretty obvious that the FO covets a left-handed bat at 1B, hence the lack of interest in Morse. Which makes sense considering we still have Baker next year and we will have Lucas beyond that who can partner up with a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 It would require a trade and then Murphy will get 8+ mil in final arb year. FA in 2016. I don't think it would cost much in terms of players though. I know I was the one who brought him up but I'd rather give Dietrich/Kike the 2b and see how that goes. I just have this bad feeling the front office isn't going to give Dietrich the opportunity and Kike will rot on the bench. Hopefully I'm wrong. As for Murphy as 1b/3b option, eh... Does a little bit of everything except not much power. Improvement over Casey but then Casey is cheap too. I just like Murphy because he's from Jax. Good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Marginal improvement over Casey but then Casey is cheap. Casey isn't cheap. I heard he picked up the tab when the team went out to celebrate Hech being a Gold Glove Finalist. I believe they went to Versailles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 It would require a trade and then Murphy will get 8+ mil in final arb year. FA in 2016. I don't think it would cost much in terms of players though. I know I brought it up but I'd rather give Dietrich/Kike the 2b and see how that goes. I just have this feeling the front office isn't going to give Dietrich the opportunity and Kike will rot on the bench. Hopefully I'm wrong. As for a 1b/3b option, eh... gets on base decent but not much power. Marginal improvement over Casey but then Casey is cheap. I just like him because he's from Jax. The problem is the Mets are probably going to be good next year, and they know that. What's their reason to trade him? Especially within the division to the other up and coming team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 He's a better option than most of the crap we're talking about. I'd rather have Bour start than most of the shit left on the market. It's pretty obvious that the FO covets a left-handed bat at 1B, hence the lack of interest in Morse. Which makes sense considering we still have Baker next year and we will have Lucas beyond that who can partner up with a lefty. who is Lucas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 who is Lucas. Ed. He went to Dartmouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Ed. He went to Dartmouth? Also he who was claimed by the Rangers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 yeah he gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Card Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Wow, totally forgot about that! It happened so quickly after the WS it just slipped my mind lol. So what I meant was Baker this year and Mark Canha in the future. Yea, that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I don't want a 1B with a .289/.332/.403 slash. Which is nearly identical to Garret Jones .246/.309/.411 slash when it comes down to it. Jones had a .2 WAR. Murphy at 1B resembles Loney at absolute best, which is likely a 1-1.5 WARish player. Murphy is valuable because of his position. Let's not get crazy. I gotta ask man, how fuck is a .290 average compared to a .250 average almost equal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Casey isn't cheap. I heard he picked up the tab when the team went out to celebrate Hech being a Gold Glove Finalist. I believe they went to Versailles. Not. Sure. If. Serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 They need to get a longterm 1B. It's not Murphy. It's not Canha. It's not coming in FA this season. Next year's free agency is pretty terrible - 33-35 year old E5, Napoli, Morneau, and a 30 year old Chris Davis, all who will likely be over paid and short term fix at best. They really need to get someone like CJ Cron (angels) or Vogelbach (cubs) who are blocked at their positions for the most part, and both of those teams could use pitching which the Marlins can trade in some capacity. Then, do a 1 year thing with Garret Jones/some other veteran, and hope those guys develop. Short term, the better idea is probably to play McGehee at 1B and get someone better than "Garret Jones" to play 3B, as there is likely a better cheaper 3B out there (like Valbuena on the Cubs...). Or sign Headley for 3-4 years which fixes a ton of problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 I gotta ask man, how fuck is a .290 average compared to a .250 average almost equal? Look at the slash, Murphy has some OBP, and that's it. And I did say he's probably 1 WAR worth more at 1B, it's just the bar is slow low that doesn't matter compared to the trade acquisition cost and his salary. If you get Murphy, you play him at 2B. It's that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Look at the slash, Murphy has some OBP, and that's it. And I did say he's probably 1 WAR worth more at 1B, it's just the bar is slow low that doesn't matter compared to the trade acquisition cost and his salary. If you get Murphy, you play him at 2B. It's that simple Murphy I think can be a solid 2b for 3-4 more years, we just need it average at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinsLou Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Murphy I think can be a solid 2b for 3-4 more years, we just need it average at this point. And is that better paying him $40 million those 4 years and trading Heaney, versus having Kike, Dietrich, Barnes, Romero, and Heaney and that $40 million. This one is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotcorner Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 are you suggesting Murphy would cost them Andrew Heaney? I'm not arguing to acquire Murphy but that can't be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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