3 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said:

 

Eh not sure I agree with the thinking here. A's and Pirates aren't selling tickets regardless.

I've seen the term prospect hugging in this thread alot.  I'm ok with that because the previous ownership would blow our farm system constantly for garbage. Just think back to how many times they traded Luis Castillo for crap? 

We can't have it both ways. There has to be a balance.  I know we have to give to get but if it's going to costs us the farm, especially a farm as stacked ours, it'd  better be for a true stud.  

Mish is such a fucking troll.

 

Shock jock at its finest, tbh.

No wonder actual journalists cant use him as a source.  He just spitballs whatever he might hear in passing as something actually happening.

Boy that cried wolf generally speaking in terms of accuracy and reliablity.  

To each their own, tbh. 

4 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

Just think back to how many times they traded Luis Castillo for crap? 

Well yeah trading a top kid for Cashner or Straily is dumb.

Trading a couple of top kids for a great CF who has 4 years of control when you need a CF, probably not dumb.

Like you said, our farm is stacked. So we need to tap into it to improve the MLB team when we have a chance to compete.

When Reynolds is the guy coming back, it is prospect hugging to not move kids for him.

 

2 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

 

I hope Garrett Cooper plays in 150 games this year and proves everyone wrong who said he would break before the end of April.

1 minute ago, Das Texan said:

I hope Garrett Cooper plays in 150 games this year and proves everyone wrong who said he would break before the end of April.

Das is now inadvertently rooting for the Marlins to satisfy his urge to troll the Marlins here.

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

Well yeah trading a top kid for Cashner or Straily is dumb.

Trading a couple of top kids for a great CF who has 4 years of control when you need a CF, probably not dumb.

Like you said, our farm is stacked. So we need to tap into it to improve the MLB team when we have a chance to compete.

I guess I just don't view Reynolds as great.  I know he's good and I would rather have him than not, but not for anywhere near the rumored asking price. I'm no expert, and I could be wrong about Reynolds, but I just don't see him as putting us over the top.  

20 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

I've seen the term prospect hugging in this thread alot.  I'm ok with that because the previous ownership would blow our farm system constantly for garbage. Just think back to how many times they traded Luis Castillo for crap? 

We can't have it both ways. There has to be a balance.  I know we have to give to get but if it's going to costs us the farm, especially a farm as stacked ours, it'd  better be for a true stud.  

But there's still no balance. The former group traded everyone and this one just clings to everyone instead of improving the actual MLB team. Keeps wasting the cheap years of the frontline starters while fan interest and general distrust of the owners grows more and more as they fail to seize upon a real chance at fielding a playoff team.

27 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Mish is such a fucking troll.

 

Shock jock at its finest, tbh.

No wonder actual journalists cant use him as a source.  He just spitballs whatever he might hear in passing as something actually happening.

Boy that cried wolf generally speaking in terms of accuracy and reliablity.  

To each their own, tbh. 

"I have a feeling something might happen"

 

Something happens: "see? I told you! God, I'm so good at this."

Nothing happens: "it was just a feeling, no actual source"

6 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said:

"I have a feeling something might happen"

 

Something happens: "see? I told you! God, I'm so good at this."

Nothing happens: "it was just a feeling, no actual source"

Hedging your bets if you are Craig Mish in an effort to regain some credibility!

1 minute ago, hovertical said:

But there's still no balance. The former group traded everyone and this one just clings to everyone instead of improving the actual MLB team. Keeps wasting the cheap years of the frontline starters while fan interest and general distrust of the owners grows more and more as they fail to seize upon a real chance at fielding a playoff team.

To be fair, they did spend some prospect capital for Stallings.  Also, if they do as they promised and lock down our young talent, especially the rotation, we can continue to compete for years to come.  They already locked down Sandy.  Now, they need to start locking down the rest of these arms soon.

Plus, Meyer, Cabrera (Handful of games) and Eury haven't even reaches the bigs yet. Sixto, Luzardo, and Rogers only have one full season each. There's plenty of time and control left with these arms.  Let's not rush into a big mistake out of desperation to make the playoffs. 

 

27 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

I guess I just don't view Reynolds as great.  I know he's good and I would rather have him than not, but not for anywhere near the rumored asking price. I'm no expert, and I could be wrong about Reynolds, but I just don't see him as putting us over the top.  

5.5 - 6 WAR player at a premium position with four years of control and going into prime years, definitely going to have to be worth a lot. He is, for sure, "great." Not Mike Trout, but great.

3 minutes ago, Michael said:

5.5 - 6 WAR player at a premium position with four years of control and going into prime years, definitely going to have to be worth a lot. He is, for sure, "great." Not Mike Trout, but great.

Yep. You put him on the Yankees, Dodgers, or BoSox and he's considered one of the best in MLB. I guarantee it. 100% people are knocking him down a peg simply because he plays for a shit team.

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49 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

Eh not sure I agree with the thinking here. A's and Pirates aren't selling tickets regardless.

You're right about the tickets thing but rosters being shuffled right before opening day is a real thing and I just hope Kim is paying attention to it.

5 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

To be fair, they did spend some prospect capital for Stallings.  Also, if they do as they promised and lock down our young talent, especially the rotation, we can continue to compete for years to come.  They already locked down Sandy.  Now, they need to start locking down the rest of these arms soon.

Plus, Meyer, Cabrera (Handful of games) and Eury haven't even reaches the bigs yet. Sixto, Luzardo, and Rogers only have one full season each. There's plenty of time and control left with these arms.  Let's not rush into a big mistake out of desperation to make the playoffs. 

 

You literally just listed a ton of pitchers and no position players again which highlights the need to move some of them out to acquire some premium bats. Bleday had had one good fall league stint and thats it. Watson is at least 2-3 seasons away and a total unknown at this early juncture. That's it for potential top end bats really. 

BTW seems the team is getting arbitration stuff done with those who were set to go to trial for it earlier today. Cooper and Berti have mutually agreed with the team on deals.

1 hour ago, Erick said:

Maybe I’m ignorant, but is De La Cruz much worse than Austin Hays?

DLC had a .380 BABIP and can't play CF. Defense was really bad (excellent in corners though). Maybe I am wrong and he can play CF. Then this entire offseason is LOL, they don't need a CF. Let Sanchez/Garcia do it and bring in DLC for defense.

So in a world with Sanchez, Garcia, Cooper(Aguilar/Anderson/Lewin at 1B), Anderson(Wendle playing 3B), and presumably Bleday and maybe Burdick...  is DLC that much worse than Austin Hays for this team? Yes. Because they need a CF. Hayes can play CF. Maybe I am wrong there so this is moot, but Hays career rate in CF over 418 innings is above average and he's elite in LF/RF over 1,000 innings. At worst, he is a super premium 4th OF who can handle CF.

Hays had a .256/.308/.461 slash with a .286 BABIP last year. Throw in potentially well above average defense, and this is a good player? Like, he has 3 WAR over 20/21 over 650+ PA. This is..... good? Orioles are such a mess and their contending window isn't for 2+ years in that division so give them better potential stuff for them to start service clocks then?

I think this is a good backup idea to Reynolds/Laureano, especially if Cole Sulser is in the deal and they get a veteran CF to also help (Kiermaier, or whoever, etc.).

Hays, Sulser, Kiermaier - 6.4 WAR 
Aguilar, DLC, Bass - 1.6 WAR

What's the issue here if they keep Pablo/Hernandez/Luzardo/Watson/Eury/Bleday/Meyer/Cabrera? How much does Hays and Sulser cost? I think Sixto/Eder, Salas/Burdick, I. Lewis, DLC, and Bass is a really competitive 5-2 offer.

And then get any good veteran 4th OF/CF. Kiermaier is a luxury/expensive option... or just keep Aguilar and trust Berti/Sanchez/Garcia to backup CF. Hays/Sulser were a 3.9 WAR last year. Give them 2.5+ and this is BIG improvement right?

2 hours ago, mystikol87 said:

Damn, that feels like quite a lot to give up. I usually think most of the trade proposals on here overvalue our prospects, but your proposal gives me anxiety haha

It’s a tall ask for sure, but I’m a major believer in Reynolds so I’d do it. That would be the highest id go though. Khalil Watson + Meyer/Eury/Edward is a non-starter for me 

13 minutes ago, Michael said:

BTW seems the team is getting arbitration stuff done with those who were set to go to trial for it earlier today. Cooper and Berti have mutually agreed with the team on deals.

This is different than the past as the Marlins never went past the deadline for negotiations. 

1 minute ago, SilverBullet said:

This is different than the past as the Marlins never went past the deadline for negotiations. 

This was different than most offseasons, too.

The Marlins appearing to be ok with what they have on the roster for CF is either them blowing smoke up everyones ass, them being clueless, or them trying desperately behind the scenes to acquire a real CF for the scraps they are offering and hoping someone eventually bites.

Just not sure anyone is biting at taking the Marlins lesser scraps when there is no urgency to make a deal.   

Laureano would appear to be the 'cheapest' and Oakland has said to this point, nah we are good with whatever crap the Marlins are offering.

 

 

17 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

 

Yea, Reynolds or bust. I can see them trying not to give up both Watson and Meyer for now but I wonder how desperate they would get the closer they get to Opening Day. To be fair, gotta test Cherington too. He's the one with the leverage but I'm sure he's got a breaking point too. But yea keep trying please.