Posted November 16, 201113 yr Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reports that the Marlins met with C.J. Wilson's agent Bob Garber on Tuesday night. Garber also represents free agent right-hander Roy Oswalt. The Marlins, looking to create some buzz for their new ballpark, have reportedly made offers to some of the biggest names in free agency, including Albert Pujols, Jose Reyes and Mark Buehrle, so we figured it was only a matter of time before they would intensity their pursuit of Wilson. The free agent left-hander has also drawn interest from the Rangers, Blue Jays, Nationals, Yankees and Angels, among others.
November 16, 201113 yr I would rather go out and get CJ Wilson than spend the money on an aging Pujols... Yes, I would love to get Pujols, but this team simply cannot afford to just dish out 200 million on a player, even if that player is the best hitter in the history of the sport. (Man even as I type this I'm doubting my reasoning...lol) But the fact of the matter remains that this team needs a pitcher more than it needs another power hitting 1B. We already have Stanton and Gaby is the hometown kid who is a very solid 1B. Go out and spend the money on CJ and shore up out rotation so we can go out and compete with the Phillies' rotation. IMO: Johnson, Wilson, and Buerhle would be an extremely formidable 1-2-3 punch... Throw in a Nolasco or Anibal and our rotation looks like one of, if not, the best rotation in the Majors
November 16, 201113 yr I would rather go out and get CJ Wilson than spend the money on an aging Pujols... Yes, I would love to get Pujols, but this team simply cannot afford to just dish out 200 million on a player, even if that player is the best hitter in the history of the sport. (Man even as I type this I'm doubting my reasoning...lol) But the fact of the matter remains that this team needs a pitcher more than it needs another power hitting 1B. We already have Stanton and Gaby is the hometown kid who is a very solid 1B. Go out and spend the money on CJ and shore up out rotation so we can go out and compete with the Phillies' rotation. IMO: Johnson, Wilson, and Buerhle would be an extremely formidable 1-2-3 punch... Throw in a Nolasco or Anibal and our rotation looks like one of, if not, the best rotation in the Majors Nolasco or Anibal?
November 16, 201113 yr Yeah I doubt we keep both... Chances are we are going to trade one of those in order to free up some more money or to go after other pitchers... I've heard Nolasco's name linked to Colorado several times, as well as Anibal's
November 16, 201113 yr #Marlins have interest in both cj Wilson and roy Oswalt, more interest in CJ -Capozzi
November 16, 201113 yr I would rather go out and get CJ Wilson than spend the money on an aging Pujols... Yes, I would love to get Pujols, but this team simply cannot afford to just dish out 200 million on a player, even if that player is the best hitter in the history of the sport. (Man even as I type this I'm doubting my reasoning...lol) But the fact of the matter remains that this team needs a pitcher more than it needs another power hitting 1B. We already have Stanton and Gaby is the hometown kid who is a very solid 1B. Go out and spend the money on CJ and shore up out rotation so we can go out and compete with the Phillies' rotation. IMO: Johnson, Wilson, and Buerhle would be an extremely formidable 1-2-3 punch... Throw in a Nolasco or Anibal and our rotation looks like one of, if not, the best rotation in the Majors Nolasco or Anibal? I agree. Pujols would be great, but it would limit this team significantly from putting the rest of the pieces together. Unless the FO surprises us and goes above the 100 mil point, Pujols would be just about the only big FA we could sign. If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. 1. Johnson 2. Wilson 3. Buehrle 4. SP received in trade 5. Anibal Looks pretty damn good to me. If one goes down with an injury of has an off year, we have 4 quality pitchers to carry the team...along with our potentially potent lineup. I think if this happens we are the favorite in the NL, I dont care about the old Phils.
November 16, 201113 yr #Marlins have interest in both cj Wilson and roy Oswalt, more interest in CJ -Capozzi Never has this phrase more accurately described an FO's offseason philosophy: SIGN HIM!!!! SIGN EVERYONE!1!!!!!11!!!!11!!
November 16, 201113 yr If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. Hang on a sec, there. Trading Nolasco saves $9MM, yes. But Wilson and Buehrle should approach $30MM/year between the 2 of them; Reyes should get at least $15MM, and Cespedes at least $5MM. That's adding $50MM and subtracting $9MM. So, if we add net $40MM, then our payroll would be sitting at $100MM.
November 16, 201113 yr If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. Hang on a sec, there. Trading Nolasco saves $9MM, yes. But Wilson and Buehrle should approach $30MM/year between the 2 of them; Reyes should get at leasst $15MM, and Cespedes at least $5MM. That's adding $50MM and subtracting $9MM. So, if we add net $40MM, then our payroll would be sitting at $100MM. thats true too but ricky is simply not worth 20.5 million over the next two years. anibal has markedly out performed him. so either way we trade nolasco but i dont see us getting buehrle and wilson either.
November 16, 201113 yr If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. Hang on a sec, there. Trading Nolasco saves $9MM, yes. But Wilson and Buehrle should approach $30MM/year between the 2 of them; Reyes should get at least $15MM, and Cespedes at least $5MM. That's adding $50MM and subtracting $9MM. So, if we add net $40MM, then our payroll would be sitting at $100MM. This is true...perhaps just one of Buehrle or Wilson is probably more realistic. But if the FO wants to put a WS contenter on the field on opening day, then getting up toward 100 mil is a possibility. I'd like Buehrle more than Wilson..cheaper and more consistent. Then go out and unload Nolasco's and bring a SP in to fill the 2-3 void in the rotation.
November 16, 201113 yr Author The Twins would probably be a good barometer, as far as raising payroll, after moving in to a new stadium.
November 16, 201113 yr Anyone considered a much more affordable backup plan for a LHP in the rotation? I'm talking about a Mr. Dontrelle Willis, who didn't necessarily have the wins to show it this year, but made some positive strides. Marlins fans still adore him, and he is very affordable given his struggles since departing with the Fish. Just an option if others fall through. Also, on the topic at hand, CJ Wilson loves surfing, so the beaches could be a selling point for him.
November 17, 201113 yr Love the Dtrain idea, don't know what his stats are for last year but I love the way he plays the game . Marlins could have used that energy last year for sure
November 17, 201113 yr If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. Hang on a sec, there. Trading Nolasco saves $9MM, yes. But Wilson and Buehrle should approach $30MM/year between the 2 of them; Reyes should get at least $15MM, and Cespedes at least $5MM. That's adding $50MM and subtracting $9MM. So, if we add net $40MM, then our payroll would be sitting at $100MM. We have to remember though, just because someone signs a 5/$125 doesn't mean we'll be paying him 25 million per season. I guarantee you these offers the marlins have out are heavily backloaded. Remember how long we payed hampton? Hell, the dodgers are still paying for manny ramirez and even worse andruw jones! For all we know pujols would only make 15 this year, reyes 8, and buerhle/wilson would make 15 between the two leaving us at 38 - 9 if we trade nolasco which would be roughly 30 million dollars we add on. So, honestly, I think we have a little more of a chance than people think since it's not just adding numbers based on the deal divided by years. I'm sure they know what they're doing in the front office.
November 17, 201113 yr If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. Hang on a sec, there. Trading Nolasco saves $9MM, yes. But Wilson and Buehrle should approach $30MM/year between the 2 of them; Reyes should get at least $15MM, and Cespedes at least $5MM. That's adding $50MM and subtracting $9MM. So, if we add net $40MM, then our payroll would be sitting at $100MM. We have to remember though, just because someone signs a 5/$125 doesn't mean we'll be paying him 25 million per season. I guarantee you these offers the marlins have out are heavily backloaded. Remember how long we payed hampton? Hell, the dodgers are still paying for manny ramirez and even worse andruw jones! For all we know pujols would only make 15 this year, reyes 8, and buerhle/wilson would make 15 between the two leaving us at 38 - 9 if we trade nolasco which would be roughly 30 million dollars we add on. So, honestly, I think we have a little more of a chance than people think since it's not just adding numbers based on the deal divided by years. I'm sure they know what they're doing in the front office. Conversely, they might give a signing bonus. The numbers you gave were exceptionally low and unrealistic, regardless, IMO.
November 17, 201113 yr Anyone considered a much more affordable backup plan for a LHP in the rotation? I'm talking about a Mr. Dontrelle Willis, who didn't necessarily have the wins to show it this year, but made some positive strides. Marlins fans still adore him, and he is very affordable given his struggles since departing with the Fish. Just an option if others fall through. I don't think the Marlins need a lefty just for the sake of having a lefty. Dontrelle was really solid against lefties last year but he got hammered by righties. The result is a rather unimpressive pitcher overall. I think he's more suited for the role of a lefty specialist and the Marlins don't really need another one.
November 17, 201113 yr If for some reason they aren't able to land one of these big bats, I'd go full-on after both Buerhle and CJ.
November 17, 201113 yr If we can somehow get Wilson AND Buehrle, that would be the ideal scenario. We'd still have money for Reyes and Cespedes, assuming Gaby/Lomo and Nolasco are sent out to bring back an additional low-cost SP (Gio from the A's). I would imagine other teams would prefer LoMo to Gaby, which I am fine with given LoMo's reputation in the club house. Not only do championship clubs need talent, but more importantly, team chemistry. Package LoMo with Nolasco and a throw-in and we should come up with a pretty solid #2-3 starter. Hang on a sec, there. Trading Nolasco saves $9MM, yes. But Wilson and Buehrle should approach $30MM/year between the 2 of them; Reyes should get at least $15MM, and Cespedes at least $5MM. That's adding $50MM and subtracting $9MM. So, if we add net $40MM, then our payroll would be sitting at $100MM. We have to remember though, just because someone signs a 5/$125 doesn't mean we'll be paying him 25 million per season. I guarantee you these offers the marlins have out are heavily backloaded. Remember how long we payed hampton? Hell, the dodgers are still paying for manny ramirez and even worse andruw jones! For all we know pujols would only make 15 this year, reyes 8, and buerhle/wilson would make 15 between the two leaving us at 38 - 9 if we trade nolasco which would be roughly 30 million dollars we add on. So, honestly, I think we have a little more of a chance than people think since it's not just adding numbers based on the deal divided by years. I'm sure they know what they're doing in the front office. This is very true... If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the Marlins have a big fat $0.00 committed to players starting in 2014 (of course not counting arbitration)...
November 17, 201113 yr Anyone considered a much more affordable backup plan for a LHP in the rotation? I'm talking about a Mr. Dontrelle Willis, who didn't necessarily have the wins to show it this year, but made some positive strides. Marlins fans still adore him, and he is very affordable given his struggles since departing with the Fish. Just an option if others fall through. I think he's more suited for the role of a lefty specialist and the Marlins don't really need another one. Dontrelle is a starting pitcher or he retires. Every time he makes a start his first inning is a borderline disaster while he tries to find the zone, then he figures it out from there. Coming out of the bullpen for one batter or one inning is the last thing he needs to be doing... Not to mention you take away Dontrelle's BEST attribute, which is eating up innings.
November 17, 201113 yr Anyone considered a much more affordable backup plan for a LHP in the rotation? I'm talking about a Mr. Dontrelle Willis, who didn't necessarily have the wins to show it this year, but made some positive strides. Marlins fans still adore him, and he is very affordable given his struggles since departing with the Fish. Just an option if others fall through. I think he's more suited for the role of a lefty specialist and the Marlins don't really need another one. Dontrelle is a starting pitcher or he retires. Every time he makes a start his first inning is a borderline disaster while he tries to find the zone, then he figures it out from there. Coming out of the bullpen for one batter or one inning is the last thing he needs to be doing... Not to mention you take away Dontrelle's BEST attribute, which is eating up innings. Over his career, Dontrelle Willis has a worse ERA in the 3rd, 4th, and 6th innings than he does in the 1st inning. He's better in the 2nd and 5th than he is in the first. He has a career .750 OPS-against, overall. And he has a career .750 OPS-against in the 1st inning over his entire career. He's not any better or worse in the 1st inning.
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