Fishes on the Pond Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I really don't feel comfortable putting up a statue to a guy who got himself and two others killed because he decided to be incredibly reckless one day. I do think a lot of this is because Loria was very close with Jose and I get the impression that losing him was like losing a son. But considering the circumstances of his death a statue is not at all appropriate. Jose's loss had a huge impact on Loria and was one of the reasons he gave for selling the team now. Actually I believe I mentioned it at his passing that I wouldn't be surprised if Loria would sell the team now. BUT this all may be a moot point if the team is sold before the statute is done. It appears it is not going to be Loria's team much longer. So if not completed soon (or a clause in the contract) it may not happen. And if done maybe the locale will change so it will be less prominent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishes on the Pond Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Also, Dontrelle had just as much hype for his starts. I actually think his starts drew greater crowds, in part because the team was better. Dontrelle fell apart, but he was incredibly exciting when he started. His promotion to the big leagues made baseball in Miami exciting again. Casual fans would go to games just to watch the D-Train, just like many enjoyed watching Jose. I'm just bringing this analogy up to sort of prove the point that the statue is overkill. Also the feelings lessen as time goes on. Sorry to say I forgot about the buzz when the D-Train pitched. And even after he left here I tried to follow what he was doing elsewhere. Unfortunately time will probably erase the buzz we felt every fifth day when Jose pitched. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro_Marlins25 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Of course they should build the statue.Also he didn't kill anyone because everyone was drunk and everyone decided to go out on their own.Someone had to drive the boat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Of course they should build the statue.Also he didn't kill anyone because everyone was drunk and everyone decided to go out on their own.Someone had to drive the boat. No, I disagree. Someone did not have to drive the boat. No, he did not kill anyone directly, but his actions led directly to their deaths. Yes, they were also drunk, yes they decided to go out, no they did not die of alcohol poisoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdg210 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Ummm. That link basically supports what Das and I have been saying about Jose and Boras. No it doesn't. Both of you are won't but it's a waste of time trying to reason with either of you. Sent from my SM-G900T using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 No it doesn't. Both of you are won't but it's a waste of time trying to reason with either of you. Sent from my SM-G900T using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app Lol. Just wear it, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das Texan Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 No it doesn't. Both of you are won't but it's a waste of time trying to reason with either of you. Sent from my SM-G900T using MarlinsBaseball.com mobile app How doesnt it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Of course they should build the statue.Also he didn't kill anyone because everyone was drunk and everyone decided to go out on their own.Someone had to drive the boat. If I am driving my car, drunk, and I run over someone partying on the street in South Beach, also drunk, did I not kill them just because they were also drunk and shouldn't have been crossing the street? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squall Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 If I am driving my car, drunk, and I run over someone partying on the street in South Beach, also drunk, did I not kill them just because they were also drunk and shouldn't have been crossing the street? Were Jose's friends having a drunken picnic on the jetty when Jose tried to jump it? SB Edition: Excuse me, sir, but your comparison is unfair. In your hypothetical situation, the two victims are not in the same vehicle as the driver. Jose victims were on the same vessel. While I agree with you that all three deaths are the fault of Jose, or operator the of the vessel, your comparison is inequitable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Were Jose's friends having a drunken picnic on the jetty when Jose tried to jump it? Please elaborate... I'd love to know where this one is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SongInTheAir Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Were Jose's friends having a drunken picnic on the jetty when Jose tried to jump it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I wouldn't build it- but I'd do something else. Figure out a way to have an"monument park" like area at marlins park- to honor all the great former marlins. Maybe in the outfield beside the fox sports section, or renovate one of the useless concession stands that routinely apprear closed. Have some memorabilia- like pin guys vest, CJ's catchers gear, Livans jersey, Mike Lowells glove- and Joses locker, taken/ cut from the locker room and relocated and bronzed. Place a donation box in there's for MADD or some other foundation for substance abuse and rotate the other game used items every month. You don't have to have a statue to honor him, but you don't have to honor just him. if you wont retire jersey numbers, honor those from the past along side him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I know it's 7 months on but I still find it odd to think we don't have the comfort of knowing Jose will take the mound every fifth day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 What happens if the sale closes before the statue is finished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 What happens if the sale closes before the statue is finished Good question. Makes u wonder what Jeb-ter think of the statue idea and of how to honor Jose in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Please elaborate... I'd love to know where this one is going. It's only an analogy. The post is comparing driving drunk and running over drunk people partying on the road to Jose's situation. So the analogy would be Jose would be driving the boat drunk and running over drunk people partying on the jetty. He is saying this is not the case, the analogy is ludicrous. He is not saying that is what happened. He is saying the exact opposite. But it is an intriguing story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Good question. Makes u wonder what Jeb-ter think of the statue idea and of how to honor Jose in general. My guess is that they wouldn't be too thrilled about it, but wouldn't do anything to stop a project far along in the pipeline. The statue is Loria's pet project. I have a feeling that the statue is all about Loria's wishes. It's clear that the Jose passing affected him greatly, but he's kind of overreacting and building a statue that nobody seems to want besides him. The Herald conducted a poll and I think that the results were similar to those in this thread, if not leaning a little more towards "don't build it." The statue seems to be the wrong PR move, but that has never once stopped Loria since he's owned the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 It's only an analogy. The post is comparing driving drunk and running over drunk people partying on the road to Jose's situation. So the analogy would be Jose would be driving the boat drunk and running over drunk people partying on the jetty. He is saying this is not the case, the analogy is ludicrous. He is not saying that is what happened. He is saying the exact opposite. But it is an intriguing story. I know, but it's squall so there's no telling where the story was going next and I'm dying to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Definitely feels like Loria is doing it because he treated Jose like a son and that's all nice and sweet on a personal level but it's awkward when it obviously becomes a public memorial. It's like the statue isn't for us, it's for Loria and he just decided to leave it out in the open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Definitely feels like Loria is doing it because he treated Jose like a son and that's all nice and sweet on a personal level but it's awkward when it obviously becomes a public memorial. It's like the statue isn't for us, it's for Loria and he just decided to leave it out in the open. Pretty much. That's why I'm soured by the whole thing. Samson's comments to the media indicate that the Marlins don't give a fuck what the community thinks. Jeffrey will build his statue no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIP16 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I know, but it's squall so there's no telling where the story was going next and I'm dying to know. Ok, thanks for clarifying. A good conspiracy is that they were all on the boat and one of them said drunkenly, "hey Jose can you jump the jetty?", and Jose said "don't try me, watch..." or something similar. That's an interesting possibility considering cocaine can make you feel invincible and all-powerful according to what I read about it. Mixed with alcohol... who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrain Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I have a feeling that the statue is all about Loria's wishes. It's clear that the Jose passing affected him greatly, but he's kind of overreacting and building a statue that nobody seems to want besides him. What a bizarre leap to make (even by your standards). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 What a bizarre leap to make (even by your standards). Calm down. I was obviously making a generalization reflecting the lack of popular support for this, based upon what I'm seeing in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piazza31 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Tell you what, I'm open minded- have a sick sense of humor- have said some crazy things.... A Jose statue is in poor taste considering the circumstances of his death, regardless of who was driving. It's a cautionary tale that should be told, but a statue memorial is a big leap that should be reserved for the most influential, legendary or tragic of circumstances. Griffey in Seattle saving their team, Thomas winning mvps and winning the World Series, Clemente passing on a humanitarian aid mission after having legendary and historical career puckett in MIN after passing and after his hof career. Point is he majority of these statues had careers that spans decades or met a tragic end due to no fault of their own. Nevermind Carews daughter for passing from cancer in Anaheim, or the father who fell to his death in Texas. Two other cases that were tragic but not self inflicted. Joses lasting legacy in this community is going to be how his death helps others to be smart about their partying- but his playing career was like a shooting star- beautiful but brief, bright yet depressing. He had potential to do great things but like Icarus he flew too close to the sun and paid the ultimate price before he can come to grips with his mortality. But why should a life size statue be how we celebrate his life and show others how to learn from his mistakes? I really hope they change their mind and figure out another way to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Beinfest Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Also, are we sure we want loria to be choosing the art...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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