Erick Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, Michael said: Here's my thoughts right now ... Do we NEED to buy bullpen arms? Everyone has been reinstated, so here's who we'll have coming back soon: Sandy (starter so one person goes to bullpen) Caleb (starter so one more person goes to bullpen) Stanek Vesia Neidert Holloway Yimi Garcia Urena (yes I know) Brigham We've got A LOT of pitchers coming back SOON. Hoyt has been effective. Tarpley looked pretty good last time out (last night). Bleier is back and he looked good before injury. So ... do we ABSOLUTELY HAVE to go get bullpen arms? Can this not be a case of, "our best acquisitions will be the returns from the IL"? Our rotation soon will be Pablo, Sixto, Sandy, Caleb, Elieser. Mejia and Castano can either be optioned or go to the bullpen (Castano most likely to the alternate site and Mejia to bullpen). I don't know if we need to be buyers - don't sell, either, just kind of ... stand pat and let these guys return. If they plan on contending, yeah they could use a bullpen arm. None of our middle relievers are legit high leverage guys that every contender needs to have. Also, not that he’s the worst option in the world, but you never really know with Kintzler. It’d be good to have a fallback option for a closer that pitches to contact more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Erick said: If they plan on contending, yeah they could use a bullpen arm. None of our middle relievers are legit high leverage guys that every contender needs to have. Also, not that he’s the worst option in the world, but you never really know with Kintzler. It’d be good to have a fallback option for a closer that pitches to contact more often than not. This is fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 Yea I get Michael's point we have plenty of options but they probably want one more "sure thing" at the back of the pen. It could be the difference in picking up a handful of wins which could be crucial in the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlins_09 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I like the idea of getting a bullpen arm this deadline as long as A) it’s not a complete overpay & B) they have multiple years of team control If you look at the next 2-3 years, we don’t have a ton of impact bullpen options in the organization. Vesia is a nice piece, Guzman & Holloway could be nice. That’s about it. I wouldn’t be opposed to targeting a guy that can help us this year, and also in the next 2-3 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, marlins_09 said: I like the idea of getting a bullpen arm this deadline as long as A) it’s not a complete overpay & B) they have multiple years of team control If you look at the next 2-3 years, we don’t have a ton of impact bullpen options in the organization. Vesia is a nice piece, Guzman & Holloway could be nice. That’s about it. I wouldn’t be opposed to targeting a guy that can help us this year, and also in the next 2-3 years Staumont could fit that role but his long term numbers kinda worry me. He was a starter for a long while in the minors, lots and lots of walks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFan95 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 4 hours ago, SilverBullet said: Those are different. If you're wearing a Stanton or Sheffield jersey in 2020 I'd believe you telling me that you are actually a Marlins fan. If you are wearing a Pudge or Reyes jersey in 2020 that tells me you haven't watched a Marlins game since 2003 or you haven't visited Marlins Park since your neighbor invited you to a game in 2012. What if you are wearing a nameless jersey with the current colors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Michael said: Here's my thoughts right now ... Do we NEED to buy bullpen arms? Everyone has been reinstated, so here's who we'll have coming back soon: Sandy (starter so one person goes to bullpen) Caleb (starter so one more person goes to bullpen) Stanek Vesia Neidert Holloway Yimi Garcia Urena (yes I know) Brigham We've got A LOT of pitchers coming back SOON. Hoyt has been effective. Tarpley looked pretty good last time out (last night). Bleier is back and he looked good before injury. So ... do we ABSOLUTELY HAVE to go get bullpen arms? Can this not be a case of, "our best acquisitions will be the returns from the IL"? Our rotation soon will be Pablo, Sixto, Sandy, Caleb, Elieser. Mejia and Castano can either be optioned or go to the bullpen (Castano most likely to the alternate site and Mejia to bullpen). I don't know if we need to be buyers - don't sell, either, just kind of ... stand pat and let these guys return. I agree to an extent - depends if we stay in it too. I could ultimately see them doing a bit of both buying and selling. Selling some of the short term guys if they get enough, and buying some longer term pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlins_09 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 4 hours ago, Michael said: Staumont could fit that role but his long term numbers kinda worry me. He was a starter for a long while in the minors, lots and lots of walks. Completely agree. That’s why the price has to be right. Don’t buy super high on any of these guys, especially ones with a small sample size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SilverBullet Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, SonOfJack said: Yeah but still wouldn't shock me if they really target one clear bullpen upgrade piece. Even with all the options at his disposal Mattingly has hinted at not being able to trust most of his bullpen and giving him one more legitimate piece would be preferred if possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 I'm probably in the minority on this but I think we should make Caleb Smith and Jose Urena available to the highest bidders at this trade deadline. Caleb should bring back a nice return as there are plenty of teams in need of starting pitchers and he is still under control for a couple of more seasons. We have 9 pitchers that can start. Alcantra, Sanchez, Lopez, Hernandez and Rogers can man the rotation. Neidert, Castano, Mejia and Dugger can fill in and handle the double headers. Thoughts??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 29, 2020 Author Share Posted August 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, Rydawg said: I'm probably in the minority on this but I think we should make Caleb Smith and Jose Urena available to the highest bidders at this trade deadline. Caleb should bring back a nice return as there are plenty of teams in need of starting pitchers and he is still under control for a couple of more seasons. We have 9 pitchers that can start. Alcantra, Sanchez, Lopez, Hernandez and Rogers can man the rotation. Neidert, Castano, Mejia and Dugger can fill in and handle the double headers. Thoughts??? Totally agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 18 minutes ago, Rydawg said: I'm probably in the minority on this but I think we should make Caleb Smith and Jose Urena available to the highest bidders at this trade deadline. Caleb should bring back a nice return as there are plenty of teams in need of starting pitchers and he is still under control for a couple of more seasons. We have 9 pitchers that can start. Alcantra, Sanchez, Lopez, Hernandez and Rogers can man the rotation. Neidert, Castano, Mejia and Dugger can fill in and handle the double headers. Thoughts??? I think you'd be more in the minority of saying to trade Pablo or Elieser. I think all of us are fine trading Caleb and/or Urena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Michael said: I think you'd be more in the minority of saying to trade Pablo or Elieser. I think all of us are fine trading Caleb and/or Urena. I just figured people would be hesitant since we are im contention. I'd love to pry away Clint Frazier from the Yankees. They need starting pitching help and they have a surplus of OF when healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rydawg said: I just figured people would be hesitant since we are im contention. I'd love to pry away Clint Frazier from the Yankees. They need starting pitching help and they have a surplus of OF when healthy. That conversation probably starts with Pablo, TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted August 29, 2020 Share Posted August 29, 2020 8 minutes ago, Michael said: That conversation probably starts with Pablo, TBH. Really? They hardly play him when the others are healthy and he always seems to be in the dog house with the Yankees. Maybe you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaiwanMarlins Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 What we really need would be one or two REAL HITTER … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Sell, dammit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Rydawg said: Really? They hardly play him when the others are healthy and he always seems to be in the dog house with the Yankees. Maybe you're right. He is highly regarded though, I think. I could be wrong and you might have a point, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayomang Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) Caleb + what do you guys think for Staumont? He could be the best reliever in the majors Caleb and Guzman/Holloway? Edited August 30, 2020 by ayomang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic D Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I wouldn't trade a damn thing for a reliever. We have so many options at our disposal to put in the pen. Would be a total waste imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTrain Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Only the Cardinals have hit less HR’s than us (yes I know we missed games) We need to hit more HR’s, though. It’s painfully obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted August 30, 2020 Author Share Posted August 30, 2020 11 hours ago, Vic D said: I wouldn't trade a damn thing for a reliever. We have so many options at our disposal to put in the pen. Would be a total waste imo. I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of a dependable reliever. We don’t make the playoffs without Urbina in 2003. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, DTrain said: Only the Cardinals have hit less HR’s than us (yes I know we missed games) We need to hit more HR’s, though. It’s painfully obvious. but those are real rally killers from what i read 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 3 hours ago, hovertical said: but those are real rally killers from what i read 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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