Yes Watson could be traded.

No he should not be traded. 

Also no chance Twins do that deal.

3 hours ago, Das Texan said:

Also no chance Twins do that deal.

Only because of Sanchez surgery.  If he were healthy, they'd be stupid not make that deal.  

On 11/23/2021 at 1:07 PM, mystikol87 said:

I like it but would slot in Hernandez over Luzardo. Then the next in line would be Luzardo, Braxton Garrett, Nick Neidert, Zach Thompson, and Max Meyer when he's ready.

Fair. I think Luzardo is going to bounce back this year personally, so I’m taking him as the 5 on opening day. I’m not against Elieser if Luzardo struggles in camp. I think there’s a decent change Elieser gets traded this offseason though 

Edited November 24, 20214 yr by marlins_09

15 hours ago, FishFan95 said:

I was looking at trade values. Does this seem like a realistic trade? Do you think both teams would accept, and what would be your opinion if something like this happened?

No chance the twins would accept that. I’m not even sure the marlins would, not because of the value, but I doubt that’s the type of trade they’d be looking at. 
 

IMO, if you’re looking at a Garver + Buxton deal, the framework will look something like: 

Meyer 

Misner/Burdick

Elieser 

Connor Scott 

 

Something along those lines 

Buxton owns a lifetime slash line of .248/.299/.461 and has played 100 games once in his career. Yes, I know he's great defensively, but we need offense. No way in hell am I moving Sanchez for him.

I also find it pretty funny how so many people are getting all upset over the Marlins "low-balling" Marte when we don't even know what his price tag is. If it's around $100 million like some have guessed, then I don't blame the FO for not wanting to give that type of money to a 33-year-old with a lifetime .797 OPS.

6 minutes ago, Valid said:

I also find it pretty funny how so many people are getting all upset over the Marlins "low-balling" Marte when we don't even know what his price tag is.

The rumor was that their offer was well below his market value, which is not necessarily the same as his asking price. If they aren't going to ever be willing to pay market value for a player, they won't get any free agents. You may be ok with that, but I'm not.

Also considering they lowballed him in-season before trading him, it is easy to assume that their offer hasn't increased much from there.

1 hour ago, Valid said:

Buxton owns a lifetime slash line of .248/.299/.461 and has played 100 games once in his career. Yes, I know he's great defensively, but we need offense. No way in hell am I moving Sanchez for him.

I also find it pretty funny how so many people are getting all upset over the Marlins "low-balling" Marte when we don't even know what his price tag is. If it's around $100 million like some have guessed, then I don't blame the FO for not wanting to give that type of money to a 33-year-old with a lifetime .797 OPS.

This goes back further than that.  Their extension offer was something pathetic like 3-30 that obviously wasn't going to get it done.  Fast forward to now, and MLBTR predicts him getting I think it was 4-80.  If the Marlins have "upped" their offer, but are still offering 4-40 or 4-50 (offers that clearly won't move the needle), then yeah there's a right to be upset.   Nobody is saying sign him for 100M, I think that's too much.

1 hour ago, SonOfJack said:

The rumor was that their offer was well below his market value, which is not necessarily the same as his asking price. If they aren't going to ever be willing to pay market value for a player, they won't get any free agents. You may be ok with that, but I'm not.

Also considering they lowballed him in-season before trading him, it is easy to assume that their offer hasn't increased much from there.

I think the low balling was during the mid-season talks.  Why would they jump back in now to only low ball him again?  That doesn't add up.

11 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

I think the low balling was during the mid-season talks.  Why would they jump back in now to only low ball him again?  That doesn't add up.

Well the recent rumor the other day is that they again came in well below his market value this off-season so...

4 hours ago, Rydawg said:

Only because of Sanchez surgery.  If he were healthy, they'd be stupid not make that deal.  

Ya well Sanchez was healthy nobody in their right mind would even entertain his name even coming up in trade talks as well.

So whats your point?

1 hour ago, Rydawg said:

I think the low balling was during the mid-season talks.  Why would they jump back in now to only low ball him again?  That doesn't add up.

Because its the modus operandi of this ownership group?

Also Marte is signing for 4 years and somewhere between 80-110 million guaranteed. 

 

Its one thing for the Marlins to think that price tag is too high, but why even talk to him this winter when you KNOW what the market rate is for him.

Why would he even entertain a 'discount' like I guess the Marlins want him to take since he is a free agent now?

Jeter as a front office executive is so fucking bad at this job.

6 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

but why even talk to him this winter when you KNOW what the market rate is for him.

So they can say they "tried"

Over pay or not, one team would acquire Marte and the fans of that team would be VERY HAPPY, that's just the spirit of the baseball. 

4 hours ago, Das Texan said:

Why would he even entertain a 'discount' like I guess the Marlins want him to take since he is a free agent now?

Because he wants to be in Miami, right?!? 😂. Gotta low ball the shit out of him...

Just like Freddie Freeman wants to be in Atlanta, but is probably going to sign elsewhere.

This whole idea of a hometown discount is ridiculous.

only the cheap teams need that “hometown discount ”…

28 minutes ago, cyoung said:

Because he wants to be in Miami, right?!? 😂. Gotta low ball the shit out of him...

Just like Freddie Freeman wants to be in Atlanta, but is probably going to sign elsewhere.

This whole idea of a hometown discount is ridiculous.

once you get to free agency 'hometown discounts' are basically null and void.

Granted, guys may stay where they are for an equal or maybe 5% or less than the top offer, but for a 10% plus discount, fat chance.

if you think thats the way it should be then you dont understand the way the professional world works.

11 hours ago, Valid said:

Buxton owns a lifetime slash line of .248/.299/.461 and has played 100 games once in his career. Yes, I know he's great defensively, but we need offense. No way in hell am I moving Sanchez for him.

I also find it pretty funny how so many people are getting all upset over the Marlins "low-balling" Marte when we don't even know what his price tag is. If it's around $100 million like some have guessed, then I don't blame the FO for not wanting to give that type of money to a 33-year-old with a lifetime .797 OPS.

Portraying Buxton like he’s only a defensive upgrade and isn’t an elite offensive player when healthy is a #badtake. You can bring up the durability concern, I get that. It’s real. But so is his offensive breakout. This guy upgrades our team in every offensive and defensive aspect possible *when healthy*

43 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

This guy upgrades our team in every offensive and defensive aspect possible *when healthy*

If an injury prone is healthy …

5 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

If an injury prone is healthy …

Great point!

6 hours ago, marlins_09 said:

Portraying Buxton like he’s only a defensive upgrade and isn’t an elite offensive player when healthy is a #badtake. You can bring up the durability concern, I get that. It’s real. But so is his offensive breakout. This guy upgrades our team in every offensive and defensive aspect possible *when healthy*

This is assuming you buy into completely the numbers he put up in 2021 are the numbers he will put up going forward and doesnt revert to the ,800- .850 OPS range.

Buxton is a difficult case.

1. He cant stay healthy.

2. He has never consistently proven to be worthy of a 9 figure contract, let alone a high 8 figure one.

 

That's why Buxton is not who the Marlins need to go after since they have limited resources at their disposal.

High, high ceiling, but low, low floor also.

The risk is far too great to justify using your limited resources on him long term sadly. 

1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

This is assuming you buy into completely the numbers he put up in 2021 are the numbers he will put up going forward and doesnt revert to the ,800- .850 OPS range.

Buxton is a difficult case.

1. He cant stay healthy.

2. He has never consistently proven to be worthy of a 9 figure contract, let alone a high 8 figure one.

 

That's why Buxton is not who the Marlins need to go after since they have limited resources at their disposal.

High, high ceiling, but low, low floor also.

The risk is far too great to justify using your limited resources on him long term sadly. 

@Das Texan, do you think Marte is the best and the most realistic option to us ? I really think this team should go all in to acquire him. 

Marte isn't realistic. The Marlins won't pay what he is worth. I'm amazed after all these years people still get their hopes up. Happy Thanksgiving! 

38 minutes ago, Iowa said:

Marte isn't realistic. The Marlins won't pay what he is worth. I'm amazed after all these years people still get their hopes up. Happy Thanksgiving! 

We only have hopes now because it's the new ownership group, and the first time they're supposedly going to spend "something".  Otherwise, yeah, there's no hope lol.