33 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Are you gonna install this or instill it in us? And if it's gonna be an installation are you gonna use a CD or maybe use a USB drive? 

nobody has CD drives let alone DVD drives to install programs anymore. 

1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

nobody has CD drives let alone DVD drives to install programs anymore. 

Never let facts get in the way of a good joke. 

8 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Never let facts get in the way of a good joke. 

Das is the longest running joke in MB history, and thems the facts.

3 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

Never let facts get in the way of a good joke. 

its obvious you would use a usb drive or even have the .exe file on the cloud you fucking moron. 

jeez.

3 hours ago, Michael said:

Das is the longest running joke in MB history, and thems the facts.

Das is the longest running ratings boom in all of MB history.

Fact is when Das posts, posts follow along with him.

When Das is absent, the overall number of posts and topics falls off

 

Thems the fact.  sorry.

I'm still looking for Larry

12 hours ago, Das Texan said:

Das is the longest running ratings boom in all of MB history.

Fact is when Das posts, posts follow along with him.

When Das is absent, the overall number of posts and topics falls off

 

Thems the fact.  sorry.

Why are you apologizing?

Stop being a bitch.

Bitch.

❤️

 

43 minutes ago, Michael said:

Why are you apologizing?

Stop being a bitch.

Bitch.

❤️

 

I'm not apologizing really.

 

Just pointing out undeniable facts!

1 hour ago, Das Texan said:

I'm not apologizing really.

 

Just pointing out undeniable facts!

Like a bitch! ❤️ 

Anyway, if the Marlins dont announce any significant trade the day we get back to business, what the fuck is going on?

 

Teams can absolutely be talking trades right now, they just cannot discuss players not under any contract.

 

If this organization is truly serious, some big giant trade is announced within hours of us getting back to business because what the hell else are they doing right now?

At least we’re way more exciting than the trash Cardinals.

2 hours ago, Das Texan said:

Anyway, if the Marlins dont announce any significant trade the day we get back to business, what the fuck is going on?

 

Teams can absolutely be talking trades right now, they just cannot discuss players not under any contract.

 

If this organization is truly serious, some big giant trade is announced within hours of us getting back to business because what the hell else are they doing right now?

No, they can't.

There would be little point to holding the meetings, since agents can't meet with teams. In fact, team personnel aren't even allowed to speak to the media about players on 40-man rosters during the lockout. And teams aren't supposed to talk to each other about their players also. So technically, no trades will be agreed upon during the lockout -- assuming executives follow the letter of the lockout law.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32754352/everything-need-know-mlb-looming-lockout

24 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

No, they can't.

There would be little point to holding the meetings, since agents can't meet with teams. In fact, team personnel aren't even allowed to speak to the media about players on 40-man rosters during the lockout. And teams aren't supposed to talk to each other about their players also. So technically, no trades will be agreed upon during the lockout -- assuming executives follow the letter of the lockout law.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32754352/everything-need-know-mlb-looming-lockout

I have read the opposite that teams can talk potential trades, they just cant finalize anything.

https://fansided.com/2021/12/03/reminder-mlb-trade-discussions-can-still-continue-lockout/

https://www.nytimes.com/article/mlb-lockout.html

28 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

I have read the opposite that teams can talk potential trades, they just cant finalize anything.

https://fansided.com/2021/12/03/reminder-mlb-trade-discussions-can-still-continue-lockout/

https://www.nytimes.com/article/mlb-lockout.html

Now is the perfect time to discuss the potential trade of Isan for Trout and Ohtani.

34 minutes ago, Michael said:

Now is the perfect time to discuss the potential trade of Isan for Trout and Ohtani.

see.

this man gets it!

What to do if all of Reynolds, Ketel and Mullins unavailable ? or all of them would be available if we go all in ? should this team go all in ? would this team go all in ?

3 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

What to do if all of Reynolds, Ketel and Mullins unavailable ? or all of them would be available if we go all in ? should this team go all in ? would this team go all in ?

This team should go all in. There are PLENTY of other options.

You call Oakland for Ramon Laureano (3 years of control), Matt Chapman, (2 years of control), AND Tony Kemp (2 years of control) and blow out the farm - Watson, Meyer/Cabrera, and 3-4 other guys in Marlins top 8-25 prospects (Burdick/Fulton, Lewis/Nasim/Morisette, McCambley/Fitterer/Osiris, Neidert/Poteet... something like that). Those 3 guys on Oakland are projecting for 8+ WAR next year and you can get them for minor leaguers. Do I love this? No. But the upside is undeniable and I will stamp this with approval.

You sign Correa/Bryant/maybe Story, absorb Keirmaier money, and trade one of Anderson/Aguilar/Cooper/Wendle for a lefty reliever.  Go all in and beat your chest.

You trade for Brandon Marsh or Jarred Kelenic or other high end prospect, and likely absorb someone like Keiermaier (or Aaron Hicks!) as a veteran platoon partner. Sign a pitcher as you just definitely traded one for an elite prospect. You'd also get prospects from the Yankees if you took on Hicks money (Hicks projecting for a 2+ WAR, he has been hurt if he can stay healthy? Prospects may make the price right to take on the deadweight).

Trade for Myles Straw in a moderate deal, sign Carlos Rodon, and trade no pitching and beat down people with pitching and defense. Get to the deadline and see how Bleday, Meyer, and Burdick are doing, and get a bat (or two) then. 

Trade for Trent Grisham, and do it primarily by absorbing a lot of Hosmer (4/$60), Myers (1/$23.5), or Kim (3/$23). Use your payroll as a weapon. Remember, the Marlins won a world series by paying Mike Hampton to pitch elsewhere. Let's say it's Grisham, Myers (all of his contract), and 2/3rds of Hosmer (SD retaining $20m). Hosmer immediately DFA'd, so you are getting 4 years of Grisham and 1 year of Myers for approx $85million in payroll spread out over 4 years, but really it's absorbing something like $35 million for 2022, and then Grisham is effectively a 3/$50ish player for his age 26-28 seasons (good right?). Would San Diego do this? It's tough, the Marlins would likely need to throw in something like Pablo (yes still, Grisham is very valuable), Bass, Okert/Pop/Head, a top 10-15 prospect basically ready (Burdick?), and maybe a throw in (Poteet type), but getting Pablo, viable relievers, and $85 million bucks for basically Trent Grisham and deadweight opens them up to their own FA acquisitions (Bryant? $85m is going to be a significant chunk of his contract) and that's a big net gain for them. Marlins have a rough 2022 payroll, but it's clean AF 2023 and on and CF is MEGA-SOLVED. Grisham/Myers probably only add 1-2 wins to the 2022 squad so contending in 22 is going to be rough.... but this is where Watson/Eury/Fulton/Salas/Lewis come in (real far away guys). You still have all of them, and go trade two of them for a right now controlled pitcher to replace Pablo and now you get to that 5+ WAR projection you need for 2022, and 2023 looks GREAT. Remember, we still have all of Luzardo, Elisier, Cabrera, Sixto, Meyer, Eder, and Bleday here, so the bullpen is going to be nuts in a year and Bleday has that bat upside pedigree.

 

I can do this all day. I want to install and instill in everyone that they are actual assholes if they don't use their players and payroll to solve the roster problems. There are absolutely no excuses with having a ton of open payroll now and longterm and at minimum 2 major players available for trades. They can do whatever they want. They have more options than anyone with this payroll, pitching surplus, and honestly, very intriguing lower level bat surplus.

 

Edit: I didn't account SD would have to, you know, pay Pablo. So they'd really be getting closer to $70m in payroll not $85m. The point still stands. That's a lot of money to absorb and they could do a lot of great things with $70m plus. That's a lot of Bryant or someone else. They need to do wild things like this to deal with the Dodgers.

Edited December 29, 20214 yr by MarlinsLou

As an aside to answer if SD WOULD do a deal like that?

They are trying to shed the salary commitmenet of Myers and Hosmer big time, so they would be all for any deal that allows that to happen, though I think the Marlins would need to absorb more salary end of day in order to make it work.  I hear San Diego wants/needs to get below the tax line, shedding Myers and Hosmer would help tremendously and also allow them some flexibility since they are in total win now mode. 

 

I like the idea of a Grisham on top of that. 

 

Edit: Also not sure the Marlins would need to send back a piece as big as Pablo, the Marlins aborbing the brunt of those salaries is enough enticement to them in theory.

Use your lack of payroll commitements as a fucking weapon for a change. 

4 hours ago, MarlinsLou said:

This team should go all in. There are PLENTY of other options.

You call Oakland for Ramon Laureano (3 years of control), Matt Chapman, (2 years of control), AND Tony Kemp (2 years of control) and blow out the farm - Watson, Meyer/Cabrera, and 3-4 other guys in Marlins top 8-25 prospects (Burdick/Fulton, Lewis/Nasim/Morisette, McCambley/Fitterer/Osiris, Neidert/Poteet... something like that). Those 3 guys on Oakland are projecting for 8+ WAR next year and you can get them for minor leaguers. Do I love this? No. But the upside is undeniable and I will stamp this with approval.

You sign Correa/Bryant/maybe Story, absorb Keirmaier money, and trade one of Anderson/Aguilar/Cooper/Wendle for a lefty reliever.  Go all in and beat your chest.

You trade for Brandon Marsh or Jarred Kelenic or other high end prospect, and likely absorb someone like Keiermaier (or Aaron Hicks!) as a veteran platoon partner. Sign a pitcher as you just definitely traded one for an elite prospect. You'd also get prospects from the Yankees if you took on Hicks money (Hicks projecting for a 2+ WAR, he has been hurt if he can stay healthy? Prospects may make the price right to take on the deadweight).

Trade for Myles Straw in a moderate deal, sign Carlos Rodon, and trade no pitching and beat down people with pitching and defense. Get to the deadline and see how Bleday, Meyer, and Burdick are doing, and get a bat (or two) then. 

Trade for Trent Grisham, and do it primarily by absorbing a lot of Hosmer (4/$60), Myers (1/$23.5), or Kim (3/$23). Use your payroll as a weapon. Remember, the Marlins won a world series by paying Mike Hampton to pitch elsewhere. Let's say it's Grisham, Myers (all of his contract), and 2/3rds of Hosmer (SD retaining $20m). Hosmer immediately DFA'd, so you are getting 4 years of Grisham and 1 year of Myers for approx $85million in payroll spread out over 4 years, but really it's absorbing something like $35 million for 2022, and then Grisham is effectively a 3/$50ish player for his age 26-28 seasons (good right?). Would San Diego do this? It's tough, the Marlins would likely need to throw in something like Pablo (yes still, Grisham is very valuable), Bass, Okert/Pop/Head, a top 10-15 prospect basically ready (Burdick?), and maybe a throw in (Poteet type), but getting Pablo, viable relievers, and $85 million bucks for basically Trent Grisham and deadweight opens them up to their own FA acquisitions (Bryant? $85m is going to be a significant chunk of his contract) and that's a big net gain for them. Marlins have a rough 2022 payroll, but it's clean AF 2023 and on and CF is MEGA-SOLVED. Grisham/Myers probably only add 1-2 wins to the 2022 squad so contending in 22 is going to be rough.... but this is where Watson/Eury/Fulton/Salas/Lewis come in (real far away guys). You still have all of them, and go trade two of them for a right now controlled pitcher to replace Pablo and now you get to that 5+ WAR projection you need for 2022, and 2023 looks GREAT. Remember, we still have all of Luzardo, Elisier, Cabrera, Sixto, Meyer, Eder, and Bleday here, so the bullpen is going to be nuts in a year and Bleday has that bat upside pedigree.

 

I can do this all day. I want to install and instill in everyone that they are actual assholes if they don't use their players and payroll to solve the roster problems. There are absolutely no excuses with having a ton of open payroll now and longterm and at minimum 2 major players available for trades. They can do whatever they want. They have more options than anyone with this payroll, pitching surplus, and honestly, very intriguing lower level bat surplus.

 

Edit: I didn't account SD would have to, you know, pay Pablo. So they'd really be getting closer to $70m in payroll not $85m. The point still stands. That's a lot of money to absorb and they could do a lot of great things with $70m plus. That's a lot of Bryant or someone else. They need to do wild things like this to deal with the Dodgers.

I can picture @taiwanmarlin reaction after reading this

All i know, is after 27 years as a marlins fan, i just wait and see. Not worth getting hopes up and being disappointed lol

2 hours ago, Iowa said:

All i know, is after 27 years as a marlins fan, i just wait and see. Not worth getting hopes up and being disappointed lol

And that's the point. They have 22-23 players on the roster who are all reasonable/big upside and ready to go for roughly $65 million in cap space. They have at least 2 major assets to trade for a major player. There is -0- reason to not go for it. They will never have a better deck to play with. They have done a great job the last 4 years (sans Yelich), and it's time to finish it.

There is no more hopes. No more excuses. No more being happy or disappointed. This is it. After 27 years of being screwed with, where at least half of those years have been pure tank scenarios, another 2-4 (05, 12, etc.) they "tried" but did they really/doomed for failure, and another at least 3 awful new franchise years, it's put up or shut up. What is left of the fans have been very loyal. It's time to act like a franchise trying to win, and by that, I mean commit to the 22nd lowest payroll out of 30. Oh the humanity.

9 hours ago, MarlinsLou said:

This team should go all in. There are PLENTY of other options.

You call Oakland for Ramon Laureano (3 years of control), Matt Chapman, (2 years of control), AND Tony Kemp (2 years of control) and blow out the farm - Watson, Meyer/Cabrera, and 3-4 other guys in Marlins top 8-25 prospects (Burdick/Fulton, Lewis/Nasim/Morisette, McCambley/Fitterer/Osiris, Neidert/Poteet... something like that). Those 3 guys on Oakland are projecting for 8+ WAR next year and you can get them for minor leaguers. Do I love this? No. But the upside is undeniable and I will stamp this with approval.

You sign Correa/Bryant/maybe Story, absorb Keirmaier money, and trade one of Anderson/Aguilar/Cooper/Wendle for a lefty reliever.  Go all in and beat your chest.

You trade for Brandon Marsh or Jarred Kelenic or other high end prospect, and likely absorb someone like Keiermaier (or Aaron Hicks!) as a veteran platoon partner. Sign a pitcher as you just definitely traded one for an elite prospect. You'd also get prospects from the Yankees if you took on Hicks money (Hicks projecting for a 2+ WAR, he has been hurt if he can stay healthy? Prospects may make the price right to take on the deadweight).

Trade for Myles Straw in a moderate deal, sign Carlos Rodon, and trade no pitching and beat down people with pitching and defense. Get to the deadline and see how Bleday, Meyer, and Burdick are doing, and get a bat (or two) then. 

Trade for Trent Grisham, and do it primarily by absorbing a lot of Hosmer (4/$60), Myers (1/$23.5), or Kim (3/$23). Use your payroll as a weapon. Remember, the Marlins won a world series by paying Mike Hampton to pitch elsewhere. Let's say it's Grisham, Myers (all of his contract), and 2/3rds of Hosmer (SD retaining $20m). Hosmer immediately DFA'd, so you are getting 4 years of Grisham and 1 year of Myers for approx $85million in payroll spread out over 4 years, but really it's absorbing something like $35 million for 2022, and then Grisham is effectively a 3/$50ish player for his age 26-28 seasons (good right?). Would San Diego do this? It's tough, the Marlins would likely need to throw in something like Pablo (yes still, Grisham is very valuable), Bass, Okert/Pop/Head, a top 10-15 prospect basically ready (Burdick?), and maybe a throw in (Poteet type), but getting Pablo, viable relievers, and $85 million bucks for basically Trent Grisham and deadweight opens them up to their own FA acquisitions (Bryant? $85m is going to be a significant chunk of his contract) and that's a big net gain for them. Marlins have a rough 2022 payroll, but it's clean AF 2023 and on and CF is MEGA-SOLVED. Grisham/Myers probably only add 1-2 wins to the 2022 squad so contending in 22 is going to be rough.... but this is where Watson/Eury/Fulton/Salas/Lewis come in (real far away guys). You still have all of them, and go trade two of them for a right now controlled pitcher to replace Pablo and now you get to that 5+ WAR projection you need for 2022, and 2023 looks GREAT. Remember, we still have all of Luzardo, Elisier, Cabrera, Sixto, Meyer, Eder, and Bleday here, so the bullpen is going to be nuts in a year and Bleday has that bat upside pedigree.

 

I can do this all day. I want to install and instill in everyone that they are actual assholes if they don't use their players and payroll to solve the roster problems. There are absolutely no excuses with having a ton of open payroll now and longterm and at minimum 2 major players available for trades. They can do whatever they want. They have more options than anyone with this payroll, pitching surplus, and honestly, very intriguing lower level bat surplus.

 

Edit: I didn't account SD would have to, you know, pay Pablo. So they'd really be getting closer to $70m in payroll not $85m. The point still stands. That's a lot of money to absorb and they could do a lot of great things with $70m plus. That's a lot of Bryant or someone else. They need to do wild things like this to deal with the Dodgers.

@MarlinsLou made five proposals and that's many but I believe would have much more proposals in the mind of our FO, but the question would still always be… how big is their determination to WIN ?

On 12/23/2021 at 3:18 PM, hovertical said:

I have refused to buy any Marlins gear or items until this new group shows they're serious about winning.  The only thing i've paid for is the out-of-market streaming package to watch games.  This group is smarter than the Loria ran madhouse but they are also even more miserly.  I have a feeling if they had even been at Loria levels of financial flexibility we'd have Realmuto back behind the plate and Marte in CF starting and be in a wonderful shape going into next season with a ridiculous pitching rich farm system to buoy the lineup even more and nab a top flight closer/bp arms.  Anyway, I will refuse to spend a dime on any merch until they show they will spend on the team. 

Bro, you’re gonna make me cry. This payroll with Realmuto is still like $85-$90M or something? With Marte like $105-$110M. Now with Garcia and Sanchez in the OF, and you sign Correa —> Miggy becomes the utility guy? Oh man, that would have been so beautiful. And lose basically none of the pitching, and payroll is still like $140M or less.

On 12/29/2021 at 10:30 AM, MarlinsLou said:

This team should go all in. There are PLENTY of other options.

You call Oakland for Ramon Laureano (3 years of control), Matt Chapman, (2 years of control), AND Tony Kemp (2 years of control) and blow out the farm - Watson, Meyer/Cabrera, and 3-4 other guys in Marlins top 8-25 prospects (Burdick/Fulton, Lewis/Nasim/Morisette, McCambley/Fitterer/Osiris, Neidert/Poteet... something like that). Those 3 guys on Oakland are projecting for 8+ WAR next year and you can get them for minor leaguers. Do I love this? No. But the upside is undeniable and I will stamp this with approval.

You sign Correa/Bryant/maybe Story, absorb Keirmaier money, and trade one of Anderson/Aguilar/Cooper/Wendle for a lefty reliever.  Go all in and beat your chest.

You trade for Brandon Marsh or Jarred Kelenic or other high end prospect, and likely absorb someone like Keiermaier (or Aaron Hicks!) as a veteran platoon partner. Sign a pitcher as you just definitely traded one for an elite prospect. You'd also get prospects from the Yankees if you took on Hicks money (Hicks projecting for a 2+ WAR, he has been hurt if he can stay healthy? Prospects may make the price right to take on the deadweight).

Trade for Myles Straw in a moderate deal, sign Carlos Rodon, and trade no pitching and beat down people with pitching and defense. Get to the deadline and see how Bleday, Meyer, and Burdick are doing, and get a bat (or two) then. 

Trade for Trent Grisham, and do it primarily by absorbing a lot of Hosmer (4/$60), Myers (1/$23.5), or Kim (3/$23). Use your payroll as a weapon. Remember, the Marlins won a world series by paying Mike Hampton to pitch elsewhere. Let's say it's Grisham, Myers (all of his contract), and 2/3rds of Hosmer (SD retaining $20m). Hosmer immediately DFA'd, so you are getting 4 years of Grisham and 1 year of Myers for approx $85million in payroll spread out over 4 years, but really it's absorbing something like $35 million for 2022, and then Grisham is effectively a 3/$50ish player for his age 26-28 seasons (good right?). Would San Diego do this? It's tough, the Marlins would likely need to throw in something like Pablo (yes still, Grisham is very valuable), Bass, Okert/Pop/Head, a top 10-15 prospect basically ready (Burdick?), and maybe a throw in (Poteet type), but getting Pablo, viable relievers, and $85 million bucks for basically Trent Grisham and deadweight opens them up to their own FA acquisitions (Bryant? $85m is going to be a significant chunk of his contract) and that's a big net gain for them. Marlins have a rough 2022 payroll, but it's clean AF 2023 and on and CF is MEGA-SOLVED. Grisham/Myers probably only add 1-2 wins to the 2022 squad so contending in 22 is going to be rough.... but this is where Watson/Eury/Fulton/Salas/Lewis come in (real far away guys). You still have all of them, and go trade two of them for a right now controlled pitcher to replace Pablo and now you get to that 5+ WAR projection you need for 2022, and 2023 looks GREAT. Remember, we still have all of Luzardo, Elisier, Cabrera, Sixto, Meyer, Eder, and Bleday here, so the bullpen is going to be nuts in a year and Bleday has that bat upside pedigree.

 

I can do this all day. I want to install and instill in everyone that they are actual assholes if they don't use their players and payroll to solve the roster problems. There are absolutely no excuses with having a ton of open payroll now and longterm and at minimum 2 major players available for trades. They can do whatever they want. They have more options than anyone with this payroll, pitching surplus, and honestly, very intriguing lower level bat surplus.

 

Edit: I didn't account SD would have to, you know, pay Pablo. So they'd really be getting closer to $70m in payroll not $85m. The point still stands. That's a lot of money to absorb and they could do a lot of great things with $70m plus. That's a lot of Bryant or someone else. They need to do wild things like this to deal with the Dodgers.

K.