On 11/7/2023 at 12:17 PM, Das Texan said:

I'm going to vomit if the only real pitcher my Cardinals sign is Aaron Nola.  

Nobody cares

2 hours ago, hovertical said:

That's the kinda shit that got him canned the first time around too - but it was something about Koehler I want to say?

But that's why I love the man....and he ain't wrong either. Jazz can't say a goddamn thing either because THut played in MLB.

The dude needs to put up superstar production if he wants to be a superstar diva.  If he does that, I don't care about the antics.  Right now we just get the antics with half a season of ok play.

2 hours ago, hovertical said:

That's the kinda shit that got him canned the first time around too - but it was something about Koehler I want to say?

But that's why I love the man....and he ain't wrong either. Jazz can't say a goddamn thing either because THut played in MLB.

I think it was his 'negativity' especially concerning the new stadium. i heard about the players whining as well. loria didnt like any criticisms regarding the stadium. this was back when the walls were farther back and more pitcher friendly. whenever tommy mentioned something about the stadium dimensions or the homerun sculpture or anything, it offended loria. there were reports of players that also complained about his 'negativity' but hutton was here for decades and the 'negativity' to the players was never an issue till then.

 

Edited November 8, 20232 yr by rmc523

2 hours ago, Iowa said:

Nobody cares

Cardinal fans care fwiw.

24 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

Cardinal fans care fwiw.

And as you're the only one here, only you care.

The option he declined was 9 mil, they turned down the chance to give him 20 so I guess we need to estimate something between that.

3/45?

9 minutes ago, Admin said:

The option he declined was 9 mil, they turned down the chance to give him 20 so I guess we need to estimate something between that.

3/45?

Actually $13M he declined.

5 minutes ago, Michael said:

Actually $13M he declined.

Add it to the list @SilverBullet

1 hour ago, Michael said:

Actually $13M he declined.

no, he actually declined the 9 mil option, which was ALWAYS happening unless he could pretty much not play baseball at any effective level anymore.

2 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

no, he actually declined the 9 mil option, which was ALWAYS happening unless he could pretty much not play baseball at any effective level anymore.

$13M. There was a $4M incentive if he reached enough PA in 2023. He did. So, $13M.

6 minutes ago, Michael said:

$13M. There was a $4M incentive if he reached enough PA in 2023. He did. So, $13M.

I believe he already received those incentives.....

Just now, Das Texan said:

I believe he already received those incentives.....

i.e. they were to be earned in 2023 for what he did in 2023, not sure if there were any incentives for 2024 performanace, but you cant assume those.

54 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

i.e. they were to be earned in 2023 for what he did in 2023, not sure if there were any incentives for 2024 performanace, but you cant assume those.

It takes two seconds to find this shit, man.

 

So is Bendix one of the ones throwing up or not?

35 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

So is Bendix one of the ones throwing up or not?

When he looked at Bruce's 2024 payroll ceiling - probably 

Sign him! They should have done it last year and now they have a chance. Especially losing Sandy for the year, they need another ace-level guy that’s pitched in big games.

1 hour ago, SilverBullet said:

So is Bendix one of the ones throwing up or not?

According to article 5 of the C.O.L., he’s the one who spread it around in the first place.

6 minutes ago, marlinsmaniac said:

According to article 5 of the C.O.L., he’s the one who spread it around in the first place.

Like a typical school child who goes into school sick when he should have stayed home and now half the class and the teacher are sick by the end of the week.

15 hours ago, Admin said:

The option he declined was 9 mil, they turned down the chance to give him 20 so I guess we need to estimate something between that.

3/45?

Eh definitely not into giving Soler three years. If that's what it will take, let him walk.

I would be okay with something like 2/25 (which he almost certainly won't take). Maybe 2/30, but even that's pushing it, given the fact that he has kind of been an every-other-year guy for a while now and can't play the field.

Edited November 9, 20232 yr by Valid

14 hours ago, Michael said:

It takes two seconds to find this shit, man.

Sportstrac has the opposite, that he earned the money in 2023 based on things he did in 2023.  

Which is how it  normally is end of day.  
 

If the salary in 2024 was tied to 2023, then that truly was a weird contract on many levels.

20 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

If the salary in 2024 was tied to 2023, then that truly was a weird contract on many levels.

They call that a vesting option. Which is normal albeit let common.

17 minutes ago, Michael said:

They call that a vesting option. Which is normal albeit let common.

No performance based incentives is what the 4 million was.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/miami-marlins/jorge-soler-10723/

 

Per their data, the 4 million was earned in 2023.