No he's not. He's not necessarily good, but he's not "awful" as you say.

 

Listen to the WAR buster. He says hechavarria is a bad fielder.

Solano is a perfectly acceptable utility IFer with good bat control and contact ability. The definition of a replacement player, really.

I believe we'll keep Stanton, and here's why.

 

When we traded Cabrera, it sucked. It really sucked. But you know what else sucked? The Marlins. The team was coming off of a last place finish and wouldn't be able to afford to try and keep Cabrera.

 

This team is much improved, and barring a massive collapse, will not finish in last place this time, and is showing signs of further improvement. If Loria truly wants to win, he'll know that Stanton is absolutely necessary to make this happen.

 

Stanton will remain a Marlin.

I believe we'll keep Stanton, and here's why.

 

When we traded Cabrera, it sucked. It really sucked. But you know what else sucked? The Marlins. The team was coming off of a last place finish and wouldn't be able to afford to try and keep Cabrera.

 

This team is much improved, and barring a massive collapse, will not finish in last place this time, and is showing signs of further improvement. If Loria truly wants to win, he'll know that Stanton is absolutely necessary to make this happen.

 

Stanton will remain a Marlin.

 

I do agree. After all, if the team goes backwards they can always trade him after he signs. Lol

I do agree. After all, if the team goes backwards they can always trade him after he signs. Lol

 

Sadly this is what I actually expect that way Loria can say we signed him and then ship him away regardless. Same concept as 2012 signing Reyes to that huge contract for publicity and hype only to trade him away.

The decision to go or stay a Marlin is Stanton's, not Loria's.

 

Loria only controls the timing and only for two years.

Sadly this is what I actually expect that way Loria can say we signed him and then ship him away regardless. Same concept as 2012 signing Reyes to that huge contract for publicity and hype only to trade him away.

 

they didn't sign them for publicity. They had money they thought they could spend for the first time in franchise history and the team was awful. The only thing worse then being an awful team that is cheap is having an awful team that is expensive. They used those guys to help rebuild as it turned out but I don't think that was the plan

The Marlins will keep Stanton in Jesus name we pray. Amen.

We signed all of the first 10 round draft picks this year. So things are changing.

I believe we'll keep Stanton, and here's why.

 

When we traded Cabrera, it sucked. It really sucked. But you know what else sucked? The Marlins. The team was coming off of a last place finish and wouldn't be able to afford to try and keep Cabrera.

 

This team is much improved, and barring a massive collapse, will not finish in last place this time, and is showing signs of further improvement. If Loria truly wants to win, he'll know that Stanton is absolutely necessary to make this happen.

 

Stanton will remain a Marlin.

 

I think it's cute some of you think Loria will give him a $250+ million contract. They may keep him through 2016, but thats it. He is not going to sign here. He is going to go to California.

 

Also, the Marlins could have signed Cabrera (or Stanton) years prior, eliminating the whole problem before it began. The reason they "wouldn't be able to afford to try and keep Cabrera" is because of their own stupidity and piss poor roster management. They have created their own problems and impossible to argue after the fact "well they were in last and couldn't afford him." Bullcrap, they could have signed him and afforded him for seasons regardless of record. Cabrera is 100% on the organization failing to identify him and buying out his arbitration and free agency years. Same thing with Stanton.

We signed all of the first 10 round draft picks this year. So things are changing.

 

And have traded two first round compensatory picks in the last 3 months (albeit Morris has been solid and Cossart does have some potential even if giving up that plus Moran and Marisnick is crazy) and international cash so they don't have to pay more prospects.

 

This cuts both ways. Can't just look at a positive. I see no organizational philosophy change worth not. If they buy out Yelich and Alvarez this offseason, then we can talk.

Lou should post more often

Lou should post more often

 

Except that his posts make me sad because this ownership sucks.

I think it's cute some of you think Loria will give him a $250+ million contract. They may keep him through 2016, but thats it. He is not going to sign here. He is going to go to California.

 

Also, the Marlins could have signed Cabrera (or Stanton) years prior, eliminating the whole problem before it began. The reason they "wouldn't be able to afford to try and keep Cabrera" is because of their own stupidity and piss poor roster management. They have created their own problems and impossible to argue after the fact "well they were in last and couldn't afford him." Bullcrap, they could have signed him and afforded him for seasons regardless of record. Cabrera is 100% on the organization failing to identify him and buying out his arbitration and free agency years. Same thing with Stanton.

 

While I agree with your thoughts on Cabrera, I disagree about Stanton. As it's been said, Loria could be waiting to sell the team when his penalties are lifted, and having Stanton under contract makes the team more valuable. Plus your figure of $250 Million is absolutely absurd.

$250 million is not all that absurd at this point.

$250 million is not all that absurd at this point.

 

Listen to yourself. There are two people in the history of baseball that have a contract exceeding that figure. They are the best right handed hitters in the past... Well... Just about ever.

Id give stanton 10 years 175 and hope the recent winning and getting paid quicker make him accept.

Listen to yourself. There are two people in the history of baseball that have a contract exceeding that figure. They are the best right handed hitters in the past... Well... Just about ever.

 

History isn't indicative of anything in this case because each situation is different.

If Stanton were a free agent today, he would be the best free agent right-handed hitter in his prime in..."well...just about ever."

 

Stanton has no incentive at this point to take a discount from the Marlins. $250 million isn't an "absurd" approximation.

While I agree with your thoughts on Cabrera, I disagree about Stanton. As it's been said, Loria could be waiting to sell the team when his penalties are lifted, and having Stanton under contract makes the team more valuable. Plus your figure of $250 Million is absolutely absurd.

 

The penalties are around $13 million bucks for him to sell I believe - chump change in a projected sale that will be over $800 million if not more. Also having $250 million on payroll is a liability and makes the value of the franchise theoretically lower (hard to argue anything after Dodgers and Clippers sales). You can't argue "but he's awesome and a draw" to numbers guys when they aren't drawing fans and they don't care about hypothetical 2018 playoff runs increasing revenue. If anything, it would be a negative but is likely a non-issue.

 

As to contracts, Cabrera just got a $248 million dollar deal and Cano $240 for years that will be in their late 30s. Ask anyone in baseball who do they want they next 10 years moving forward, Stanton years 25-34 or getting older Cabrera or Cano. You are going to get 100% uniformity it's Stanton and his prime years. Stanton is a known commodity now, he is not some projectionable 22 year old with a good year and a half. This is not rocket science.

 

He is more valuable, period. And even more so in what looks to be a pitching era because no one is hitting these days and he is likely the top power bat in baseball for what, the next 7-8 years? Chalk up two "discounted" arbitration years to knock it down, and very realistically (if we are talking 10 years), it's going to be around $250 million. You guys posting 10/$175 aren't really appreciating what is going on right now around baseball. That number, as crazy as that would be for Loria to even offer it, gets turned down quick, Stanton will "gamble" his health on two arbitration years, and then get an absolutely ludicrous offer after 2016 from the Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees, Angels, or Mariners - and that offer could start with the number "3". Not far from absurd at all.

 

What's absurd is not buying him out 2 years ago and not having him under contract through 2019 already. Good job front office.

Lou, do you think stanton would take something like a 4/100 or 5/125 that way he'd get another huge payday in his late 20s?

Lou, do you think stanton would take something like a 4/100 or 5/125 that way he'd get another huge payday in his late 20s?

 

I don't think so. If he can go out and get a ridiculous 12-15 year contract, I don't think he'd hesitate to sign it. Sure, a 4 or 5 year deal might lead to an even bigger payday in his late 20s, but an injury or years of ineffectiveness could lead to him never getting paid to play baseball again (as unlikely as the latter may sound.) I feel like he'd be willing to take a longer deal with a lower AAV than he'd be to take a shorter deal worth more money per check.

It's 10/200, guys. Get it right.

Lou, do you think stanton would take something like a 4/100 or 5/125 that way he'd get another huge payday in his late 20s?

 

I think it is important to note he is going to get $13-15 easy in arbitration next year, add in this season and some endorsements, he probably has $15-20 million bucks post tax end of next year. He's good right now. He doesn't need to give up free agency years when he already has "I can live forever" money in the bank (i.e. which is why the organization needed to do this two years ago before he got really paid. Leverage is gone) and can wait out being a free agent for 2 seasons.

 

The scenario is, they would need to (1) drastically overpay, (2) take minimum free agency years, and (3) let him be a free agent again in his prime, at latest 29 years old I suspect. Stanton has all the leverage. That is post 2018 meaning a 4 year deal. Think of the most ludicrous 4 year deal you can think of and add tens of millions. That's the scenario the Marlins have put themselves in because they were so stupid, again, to not buy out their guy. I think 4/$100 is to low, and that is acknowledging I am placing a value on his free agency years at over $30 million a season (as the arb years are much lower). It's just not enough to hedge his bets on a future longterm monstrous deal after 2016 for 8-10 years. 4/$120? I think that gets interesting for Stanton as the annual value is nuts. 5/$140? Real interesting. Those would be tough to pass up and thats where the deal is. Something so crazy Stanton has to say, screw California, money is to good here and I can go to LA when I'm 29/30 on that 2nd massive deal.

 

I expect an exciting 2016 with Stanton in a contract year in his prime and two draft picks in 2017.

Lou writes the book, I give the summary for dummies.

 

Are you the spokesperson of the dummies or for the dummies?

 

 

 

Either way, poop.

Does an RBI single constitute a bump for this thread?