MiamiNative0722 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Check it out: Hanley himself saying he likes it @ThisIsChucker Hanley responded to a fan HIMSELF that "he likes it" in response to adding Pujols & Reyeshttp://pic.twitter.com/ev4nB4JI Saw that earlier...this fake/real drama on top of the Pujols negotiations is driving me nuts. The media is so annoying, they report so much stuff that isnt true, I for one think Hanley will accept this, especially with the coming moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afer13 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I honestly wouldn't mind trading Hanley. It makes that payroll bearable down the road when people like LoMo and Stanton begin to hit arbitration. Either way this works out is fine by me. What's going to make payroll bearable is not offering no trade clauses and then unloading the recent signings (or Hanley) once this team put together for the launch of the new stadium has run it's course. Teams don't make money from short term moves like the one you are implying they are going to try to pull. This team has been making money hand over fist the last 3 years. You only deviate from that course of conduct if you have a legit long term plan for making money, big time money. I have no doubt in my mind that the FO thinks they can make Red Sox/Yankees coin through Latin America. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. MIAMI -- The cost-cutting Florida Marlins finalized their big trade with the Mets on Thursday, sending slugger Carlos Delgado to New York for first baseman Mike Jacobs and two minor leaguers. Huh, funnily enough, they do. I don't get it. Are you saying the Marlins made money from this move? If I'm not mistaken the Marlins attendance didn't improve after that signing. The Marlins made more money from revenue sharing than they ever made from signing Carlos Delgado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexdw85 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 i think hanley hasnt asked them for a trade, but i also think hes leaking the info to the media to start drama. theres no contradiction there. i think hes handling this like a baby by leaking stuff to the media but not telling the marlins about it. the guy acts like a baby so why should this be any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiNative0722 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Check it out: Hanley himself saying he likes it @ThisIsChucker Hanley responded to a fan HIMSELF that "he likes it" in response to adding Pujols & Reyeshttp://pic.twitter.com/ev4nB4JI Saw that earlier...this fake/real drama on top of the Pujols negotiations is driving me nuts. were you the only person that noticed my link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PurpleHaze Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 JCRMarlinsbeat Juan C. Rodriguez Report: Hanley Ramirez would prefer trade to position change goo.gl/fb/xHt6u #Marlins official just told me Hanley Ramirez has NOT asked to be traded -Capozzi What is this I don't even. JCR and the Sun-Sentinel, IMO, add sensationalism to their Marlins coverage. Joe Capozzi and the PBP are closer to the old school style of journalism which includes objectivity, integrity and correct facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhxPhin Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I honestly wouldn't mind trading Hanley. It makes that payroll bearable down the road when people like LoMo and Stanton begin to hit arbitration. Either way this works out is fine by me. What's going to make payroll bearable is not offering no trade clauses and then unloading the recent signings (or Hanley) once this team put together for the launch of the new stadium has run it's course. Teams don't make money from short term moves like the one you are implying they are going to try to pull. This team has been making money hand over fist the last 3 years. You only deviate from that course of conduct if you have a legit long term plan for making money, big time money. I have no doubt in my mind that the FO thinks they can make Red Sox/Yankees coin through Latin America. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. MIAMI -- The cost-cutting Florida Marlins finalized their big trade with the Mets on Thursday, sending slugger Carlos Delgado to New York for first baseman Mike Jacobs and two minor leaguers. Huh, funnily enough, they do. I don't get it. Are you saying the Marlins made money from this move? If I'm not mistaken the Marlins attendance didn't improve after that signing. The Marlins made more money from revenue sharing than they ever made from signing Carlos Delgado. I think the point is pretty obvious - since the marlins made a big signing for a 1B at a time when they had dubious fan support and revenue streams and merely dreams of having a stadium built only to trade them a little while later when they will had dubious fan support, revenue streams and even more remote dreams of having a stadium built then it only stands to reason that they will sign a big name 1B now that they have a stadium, improved revenue streams and undetermined fan support ........... this only would hold true though if fan support remained undetermined as you cannot change any aspect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 i think hanley hasnt asked them for a trade, but i also think hes leaking the info to the media to start drama. theres no contradiction there. i think hes handling this like a baby by leaking stuff to the media but not telling the marlins about it. the guy acts like a baby so why should this be any different? But there Is absolutely no fact at the moment that says Hanley is leaking stuff to the media. I'm not the biggest Hanley fan but I'm not going to throw out complete assumptions as fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Seems dumb for Hanley to wanna leave this team with all these additions. I understand his pride at shortstop but the Marlins want him to be a big piece of this puzzle, why leave when he's clearly one of the key pieces? Its like the Heats big 3 we've compared them to... Imagine if Lebron accepted and Wade left cuz he decided not to be one of the big 3 but wanted to be the big one? i dont get that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Only if you are taking all of this hanley rumor fest as fact. Realize its most likely either all madeup or exaggerated. Oh yea my point was that I don't agree with the rumor at all. I don't agree with it cuz of everything I said. it just makes no sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 lmao @ the earlier statement that Hanley has earned the abiltiy to play SS. In all my life of playing baseball I've never understood the obsession with playing SS. Hanley earns his salary by doing what the team tells him to do. If he doesn't like it his only remedy is to bitch. Which he can exercise at the risk of looking like a dumbass and worse being dealt to shittown USA. If he doesn't like 3B he better be ready to play in KC or Seattle because he has NO leverage. hanley for king felix...DONE =) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I honestly wouldn't mind trading Hanley. It makes that payroll bearable down the road when people like LoMo and Stanton begin to hit arbitration. Either way this works out is fine by me. What's going to make payroll bearable is not offering no trade clauses and then unloading the recent signings (or Hanley) once this team put together for the launch of the new stadium has run it's course. Teams don't make money from short term moves like the one you are implying they are going to try to pull. This team has been making money hand over fist the last 3 years. You only deviate from that course of conduct if you have a legit long term plan for making money, big time money. I have no doubt in my mind that the FO thinks they can make Red Sox/Yankees coin through Latin America. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. MIAMI -- The cost-cutting Florida Marlins finalized their big trade with the Mets on Thursday, sending slugger Carlos Delgado to New York for first baseman Mike Jacobs and two minor leaguers. Huh, funnily enough, they do. I don't get it. Are you saying the Marlins made money from this move? If I'm not mistaken the Marlins attendance didn't improve after that signing. The Marlins made more money from revenue sharing than they ever made from signing Carlos Delgado. So what happens if attendance doesn't sky rocket enough to support a dramatically higher payroll, even with the lack of rent payments for the (old) stadium? Not every team can support 100 million in payroll. The organization might be content to risk losses right now in order to generate buzz and make the Marlins a hot ticket item. Economically, that's not a bad decision for the Marlins long term. If you recall, the contract to Delgado was heavily backloaded and actually ridiculously cheap up front. From all we've heard, the Marlins are trying to backload the contracts they are handing out now. Don't you think it's a possibility that they only intend to keep Albert Pujols for 3-4 years if they sign him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 If theres even an inkling of this being true, which I doubt... I dont see the Marlins giving in, he's just too talented. They'll make sure Ozzie and even Reyes himself work with Hanley to get it done. I'm remembering Soriano not wanting to play 2B a few years back, he eventually gave in and Hanley is a million times better than Soriano. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmo Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Ozzie is saying on LeBatard that Hanley was aware of the Reyes situation and was on board. He also said that he's going to sit down and talk to Hanley about all this or whatever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 its just too premature to speculate on this hanley stuff. really reyes hasnt even been officially introduced yet. Let the offseason and spring training work this out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Gotta say, having Ozzie makes me feel more confident when it comes to issues like this. He could be worth his contract before the season even starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonymous Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 @clarkspencer: Admin Beinfest on Hanley: "Its news to me if hes asked to be traded. I dont know where this stuff is coming from." #marlins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canada-marlin24 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 JCRMarlinsbeat Juan C. Rodriguez Beinfest: "It’s news to me if [Hanley] has asked to be traded. It’s not something we’ve discussed." #Marlins 2 minutes ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hovertical Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 if you guys go to espn there's a video of ravech and kruk talking to Ozzie and a couple minutes into the video Ozzie refers to hanley as "her" and then corrects himself a bit later. lololol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonataArctica121 Posted December 7, 2011 Author Share Posted December 7, 2011 Have their been discussions of even moving Hanley to second entertaining the idea if omar can play 3rd? I know omar has moved around the field a bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirspud Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Have their been discussions of even moving Hanley to second entertaining the idea if omar can play 3rd? I know omar has moved around the field a bit Omar is a much better middle infielder than Hanley and moving Hanley to second is still forcing him to another position which is what he's objecting to. Also, Hanley wouldn't be a better defender at second than short, and even if he is not better at third he is at a less important defensive position there where his lack of defensive prowess won't be as harmful to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlins2219 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Hanley to 2B Infante to 3B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Loria says he had upbeat conversation with Hanley, will be on #Marlins in 2012. #MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiNative0722 Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I think Jose reyes just said on 790 that he would play second if asked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 I think Jose reyes just said on 790 that he would play second if asked He said during his exit interview after the press conference with MLBN that if he was asked he would move. He just wants to Win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnellders Posted December 7, 2011 Share Posted December 7, 2011 Ozzie Guillen on Twitter: Please don't worrie about hanley ramirez he is my man to kick some butt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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