dim Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 They get a guy coming off a 5.4 WAR season. But outside that Kendrick is a consistent good, never great 2B. Kendrick is also making $8 million+ a year through 2016. Gordon's under team control until 2019. Kendrick's the better bet to be good, but Gordon all things considered is probably the better value for the Marlins since we obviously can't afford an $8 million a year 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So according to Wild Card, teams are afraid of a guy who runs fast but cant hit and needed an unsustainable first half to be mediocre? Because of "presence". You had people mildly supporting and you pull that shit out of your ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 We have to include Kike, Hatcher, and Barnes to get Gordon. The Dodgers trade Heaney alone and get a better 2B than Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsprt14 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 We have to include Kike, Hatcher, and Barnes to get Gordon. The Dodgers trade Heaney alone and get a better 2B than Gordon. Barnes is going to the Angels too. Actually idk seems to be some confusion between the beat writers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97marlin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 so what this shows is money is power sometimes. we need to take risks to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsprt14 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So all the Dodgers could flip Heaney for is Howie Kendrick..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erick Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Barnes is going to the Angels too. Actually idk seems to be some confusion between the beat writers. It's straight up. Of course, we get more years of control with Gordon and $12 million from the Dodgers so there's that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Yeah we got the worse 2B but the years of control for cheap and extra money. As everyone's already said money can get you nice things sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97marlin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 the dodgers just paid 40 million dollars plus the performance of gordon and haren for howie kendrick and 3 minor leaguers. the marlins could have made the same trade and only spent 27.5 mil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsprt14 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 the dodgers just paid 40 million dollars plus the performance of gordon and haren for howie kendrick and 3 minor leaguers. the marlins could have made the same trade and only spent 27.5 mil. Howie Kendrick had the Marlins on his limited no-trade list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokersgoon Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 ehh i like kendrick but he wouldve been a rental here + 31 years old.. sooo more than likely he wouldve wanted a ridiculous contract, one last "big" contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiNative0722 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Andrew Heaney in particular is a polarizing player. Marlins were down on him, and some don't see him as much more than a back-end starter. Per PAssan lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poptart Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Kendrick averages a 4.14WAR/162. he's a great player. but if the Marlins were on his no-trade list then whatever.... but.. fuck. Dee Gordon better be really good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiamiNative0722 Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 dan haren @ithrow88 · 1m1 minute ago I'm taking my talents to bed. Long day. Lmfao i see his enthusiasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroFishOne Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 From ken rodent hal twitter @Ken_Rosenthal: Heaney quote RT @IconBaseball @Heandog8 “Excited to be a part of a team with an MVP CF, HOF 1B, & a great org that wants to WIN!“” But this from heaneys twitter @Heandog8: Crazy day! Wanna thank the @Marlins for drafting me and giving me an opportunity in the big leagues. Gonna miss fans, teammates, & coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jokersgoon Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 i dont even want that douche haren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The thing that sickens me in all this, more than anything, is that Dee Gordon is slotted into the leadoff spot no questions asked. That is pretty disgusting in and of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Punisher Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Flip Haren to Angels for CJ Cron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dim Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 The thing that sickens me in all this, more than anything, is that Dee Gordon is slotted into the leadoff spot no questions asked. That is pretty disgusting in and of itself. 64 stolen bases does that. While I'd obviously rather have somebody who gets on base at something like a .350+ clip you're wasting Dee Gordon's biggest asset, his ability to steal bases and mess with opposing pitchers, anywhere in the lineup but the leadoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenhat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Even if he does re-invest the 12.5 million, it's amazing that we need to give up prospects for money because we can't afford free agents otherwise. Exactly. On the face of it selling prospects for 12.5 million and then using that 12.5 in free agency is a smart move. The problem is we are already nearly last in payroll by a wide margin. We should just be able to spend 12.5 million and keep our prospects. If we had even an average payroll and sold prospects to fit in another free agent or two I would consider it shrewd. At our current payroll its a false dilema. We shouldn't have to choose. We should have both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenhat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Also....whats the big deal? If the Marlins indeed traded Hatcher and Barnes for $12.5M that we can use to improve the team THIS year...I'm all for it. Its like saying you sold your house at half price to pay for heart surgery you needed. Sure that's a great idea. Its not a great idea if you already have millions of dollars sitting in the bank. Also its yet to be seen if that 12.5 million is used to improve the team this year. And again Loria is creating a false choice there. We shouldn't have to choose between the free agent and the prospects. We should have both like every real MLB franchise. Teams kick in prospects to get teams to cover 20+ million on contracts, not first year arbitration. Its a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenhat Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Passan is being a dick for nothing... Just cuz the Marlins are ready to spend more doesn't mean they have unlimited funds. The team gave up prospects for an upgrade at 2B and also found a way to save money in the process. That's not being cheap, that's being smart. If Billy Beane does that nobody calls him cheap. If the team doesn't spend the money that's another story but to suddenly throw the asshole comments just because we wisely got the Dodgers to foot the bill here is unnecessary. Billy Beane has not sold prospects for money in this fashion. As cheap as the A's are thought to be they spent 36 million more than us next year. And they are ridiculed as a cheap franchise. If Loria spent as much as even the teams that are mocked for being super cheap (A's and Rays) we wouldn't have to sell prospects we could do both. Its weird that we get lumped in with the A's and Rays as far as cheapness when we are in reality two tiers below even them in terms of payroll. And both of those teams are fighting for new stadiums while we already just got one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze2ki Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I am kinda excited to see what Brett Butler can do with Dee Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackRubysDog Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I'm okay with this. I don't think any of the players that we traded are going to be anything special (including Heaney) but that's just my personal opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Altamonte Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 We have to include Kike, Hatcher, and Barnes to get Gordon. The Dodgers trade Heaney alone and get a better 2B than Gordon. Yes but Dee Gorden will be free next season...not to roam the bases , but Loria doesn't have to write his paychecks.... Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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